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Fringe - first time watching

Timelord79 (he/him)

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I am finally getting around to watching Fringe.

So far up to the story where "Moriarty" (don't remember the actual character's name) bites the dust. So please no spoilers beyond that point for now.

Except clarification. I am already a bit spoiled on the existence of a paralell universe and that the opening credits' color theme signals the setting one or the other.

Now so far random episodes of the first season alternate between blue and red. I don't see how those episodes are in different universes if correct.


Besides that, i find the show a bit hit and miss. The stories seem a bit all over the place with lots of stuff thrown at the wall to see what sticks, or so it seems. A lot like LOST i think.
The first few episodes were a pain sometimes and I found it hard to pay attention.

Please tell me that everything connects better as things go on and the characters who seem underdeveloped become more interesting and get good personal stories.
 
I wasn't really gripped by the first season (the longer 50 minute run time doesn't really help getting through it,) but found I enjoyed it a lot more by mid season 2, and then was really enjoying it by the third season.


It's only problem is, like a lot of shows, you just don't need 22 odd episodes a season any more. After watching so many great 10-16 episode season shows over the last few years via DVD like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Banshee, Walking Dead, The Shield, Hannibal, etc etc, I find it really hard to watch 22-ep shows now, when there's so much filler.

I know it's a US TV thing, different networks etc, but I'm just talking about wanting to, as a busy working adult, invest my precious free time into something.

I watched seasons 1 & 2 of Arrow earlier this year, god that was a big struggle to keep going at times. And I'm watching Heroes season 1 now for the first time. It's pretty good with some interesting characters, but man is the plot stretched out.
This is why, though I'd like to, I'll probably never watch Lost, or rewatch Fringe. And although I've now heard it's pretty crap, the idea of Gotham intrigued me, but once I found out it was a 22-ep show I knew I'd never bother with it.
 
The first season is very hit or miss but it DOES get better; characters become better developed and plots, although ridiculously complicated, all come together in the end.

I definitely liked it far more at the end than I did at the beginning.
 
I dont remember there being random episodes with red opening in the first season. Maybe finale episodes of season 1 had alternating colors? But not earlier.

Fringe is definately one of the series that I have and will rewatch. It helps that it is only five seasons with a satisfying ending and coherent plot. Not too many plots left hanging or abandoned. And it feels like it was planned all the way to the end from the beginning, even though it probably wasnt.
 
I dont remember there being random episodes with red opening in the first season. Maybe finale episodes of season 1 had alternating colors? But not earlier.
I definitely saw it earlier than Finale episodes. Way earlier.
Now, I am a bit into Season 2 already and now pretty much every episode has a red opening credit sequence.
I am watching on Netflix, maybe they screwed around with that?
 
Cant check myself since they seem to have removed Fringe from Netflix here, but I dont remember there being any mistakes when I watched it last time from Netflix. But I remember series being consistent with the opening titles.
Blue for primary universe and red for parallel universe, plus some other episode/season specific ones.
 
Fringe was one of the very few shows I would plan my evening around watching- and also recorded so I could watch it again to pick up on all the subtle things.
The show had a magnificent way of setting story threads in motion which would later weave into a much larger arc. When I first turned it on it looked more like an X-Files clone but it became so much more.
Loved it all except the final season-
 
I wasn't really gripped by the first season (the longer 50 minute run time doesn't really help getting through it,) but found I enjoyed it a lot more by mid season 2, and then was really enjoying it by the third season.


It's only problem is, like a lot of shows, you just don't need 22 odd episodes a season any more. After watching so many great 10-16 episode season shows over the last few years via DVD like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Banshee, Walking Dead, The Shield, Hannibal, etc etc, I find it really hard to watch 22-ep shows now, when there's so much filler.

I know it's a US TV thing, different networks etc, but I'm just talking about wanting to, as a busy working adult, invest my precious free time into something.

I watched seasons 1 & 2 of Arrow earlier this year, god that was a big struggle to keep going at times. And I'm watching Heroes season 1 now for the first time. It's pretty good with some interesting characters, but man is the plot stretched out.
This is why, though I'd like to, I'll probably never watch Lost, or rewatch Fringe. And although I've now heard it's pretty crap, the idea of Gotham intrigued me, but once I found out it was a 22-ep show I knew I'd never bother with it.

This may be the first time I've heard anyone complain that a show had too many episodes and too long a running time! Usually people want more of a good thing.
 
^ I, and my friends who will also binge through shows now and again, just generally prefer and choose quality over quantity.


Not exactly just me either, although I always enjoyed nuBSG, I remember quite a lot of people on this board wished the show had remained at the 13 episode Season 1 run for later seasons, so as to not have some of the filler episodes you get in seasons 2 & 3 with their 20 ep runs
 
It's only problem is, like a lot of shows, you just don't need 22 odd episodes a season any more. After watching so many great 10-16 episode season shows over the last few years via DVD like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Banshee, Walking Dead, The Shield, Hannibal, etc etc, I find it really hard to watch 22-ep shows now, when there's so much filler.

I know it's a US TV thing, different networks etc, but I'm just talking about wanting to, as a busy working adult, invest my precious free time into something.

Sometimes less is more. :techman: Indeed, better to have fewer episodes but with higher over all quality.
 
Fringe is one show that started out kind of rough but ended up pretty great as it went on.
As for season lengths, I really don't mind 22 episode seasons. Sure we do often end up with filler episodes, but sometimes those extra episodes can be used to give us more time for character development and world building even if they don't always move the overall arc forward.
 
Fringe is one show that started out kind of rough but ended up pretty great as it went on.
As for season lengths, I really don't mind 22 episode seasons. Sure we do often end up with filler episodes, but sometimes those extra episodes can be used to give us more time for character development and world building even if they don't always move the overall arc forward.

Agreed. Also, not every show needs to be entirely driven by overarching story arcs. It's great that those shows can be successful now, but that doesn't mean they have to replace all other types.
 
I definitely saw it earlier than Finale episodes. Way earlier.
Now, I am a bit into Season 2 already and now pretty much every episode has a red opening credit sequence.
I am watching on Netflix, maybe they screwed around with that?
They must have, the red opening was used for the first time at the end of season 2.

It's best to ignore the openings in that case, you'll notice when you're in the parallel universe, there are significant differences.

There are seven different openings and they all have a meaning but it's not exactly subtle, so you don't have to look for clues. If an episode seems to take place in the regular universe it probably is, no matter what opening Netflix used.

My spoiler free review of Fringe:

Season 1: Rough start, at least the characters are good
Season 2: Much better, this show could be something special
Season 3: Best show on TV! OMG!!!
Season 4: WTF!? What are you doing writers?
Season 5: Completely different show, I'm out!

On its own season 5 isn't even bad, it just doesn't feel like Fringe anymore, it's like a spin-off starring the same actors. Looking at it this way I can enjoy it on some level but I absolutely despise season 4, I feel like the writers punched me in the face with that and then laughed at me.
 
I never watched Fringe when it aired on TV, except for the very last episode of Season 1 where I wanted to see Leonard Nimoy. Otherwise I bought the Blu-Rays as they came out.

But I remember that in Season 1 the parallel universe was only visited on a few occasions, and usually only for a few seconds, there were no episodes set within it, unlike in the later Seasons where entire episodes occurred in the parallel universe.
 
My spoiler free review of Fringe:

Season 1: Rough start, at least the characters are good
Season 2: Much better, this show could be something special
Season 3: Best show on TV! OMG!!!
Season 4: WTF!? What are you doing writers?
Season 5: Completely different show, I'm out!

This is pretty much how I feel. Rewatching season 1-2 I liked them a lot better than I remember. Season 3 was amazing. Season 4 was WTF is this?! And then the ending leading up to season 5 still to this day doesn't make any fucking sense.
 
Allright, I finished the show from start to finish.
Pretty much burned through seasons 3-4 over an der extended weekend.
Overall I liked it much better than I thought I would, after the first few episodes.

Feel free to not avoid spoilers anymore with your thoughts.
I'll post a more indepth review later. :)
 
Feel free to not avoid spoilers anymore with your thoughts.
Okay.

I HATE what they did with season 4, I had loved the blue universe characters, them as persons, their relationships and their development and with the exception of Peter those characters were dumped and never seen again, replaced by the amber universe versions. I spend three years with those characters and then they were gone ... just like that.:scream:

What happened with the opening credits btw? Did Netflix show the 80s opening or the red/blue combined version? What about amber, grey and the observer opening?

Here's a youtube video with all seven: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKHc7pKZdj0
 
Yeah, I watched it all via DVD without really knowing much about it. When I was on Season 4 I kept thinking "right, when is it all gonna go back to normal?"... and it never did. I mean they sorta cheated a bit by Olivia getting her memories back from the Blue universe, but still.. It almost felt like I'd wasted my time watching a lot of those episodes.


Question, was what eventually happened with the Observers always the plan from the beginning? It did kinda feel like "erm, so after all that they're evil Nazi's from the future... ok."



Also, obviously everyone loves Leonard Nimoy, and I understand maybe health issues prevented him from being there a lot or whatever it was. But the character of William Bell really deserved a lot more development than, what, appearing in about 8 episodes all together?
 
Here's a blog post I did after a binge rewatch of both Alias and Fringe. I started with Alias and wanted more when I was done (even though Alias was an inconsistent and often frustrating mess), so I went on to Fringe expecting it to be similar, and was struck by how different, and ultimately how enormously better, it was. Both shows kept reinventing themselves from season to season, but in Alias it felt like a series of artificial, network-imposed retools that played hell with the show's characters and continuity, while in Fringe it felt surprisingly cohesive and effective.


The first season is very hit or miss but it DOES get better; characters become better developed and plots, although ridiculously complicated, all come together in the end.

I definitely liked it far more at the end than I did at the beginning.

What I like is the way seasons 4 and 5 bring back elements from the scattershot first season and integrate them more into the larger narrative, so that in retrospect they feel like they served a purpose all along.



Cant check myself since they seem to have removed Fringe from Netflix here, but I dont remember there being any mistakes when I watched it last time from Netflix. But I remember series being consistent with the opening titles.
Blue for primary universe and red for parallel universe, plus some other episode/season specific ones.

Yup, that's the way I recall it from my Netflix binge watch. Blue is "this side," red is "the other side," amber is the altered reality, gray is the dystopian future, plus there's the '80s-style title sequence used in the two flashback episodes. And one of the episodes that jumped between universes alternated blue and red in the titles, but the next one to do so did not, which disappointed me.


They must have, the red opening was used for the first time at the end of season 2.

And that season finale was a revelation. It was when the show finally found the thing that elevated it from mediocrity to something exceptional. It was extraordinary, suddenly seeing the alternate version of the show set in an alternate universe, with wildly different versions of the characters we know, and discovering that the mysterious unseen villains behind everything were these really likeable people who sincerely believed they were the good guys working to defend their universe -- and they were kind of right.


There are seven different openings and they all have a meaning but it's not exactly subtle, so you don't have to look for clues.

I listed six above... oh, yeah, the seventh was that onetime opening used for the season 3 finale, that nearer dystopian future that Peter used the machine to undo.


My spoiler free review of Fringe:

Season 1: Rough start, at least the characters are good
Season 2: Much better, this show could be something special
Season 3: Best show on TV! OMG!!!
Season 4: WTF!? What are you doing writers?
Season 5: Completely different show, I'm out!

On its own season 5 isn't even bad, it just doesn't feel like Fringe anymore, it's like a spin-off starring the same actors. Looking at it this way I can enjoy it on some level but I absolutely despise season 4, I feel like the writers punched me in the face with that and then laughed at me.

I don't agree about seasons 4 and 5. I think it was daring and impressive the way the writers were willing to reinvent and play around with their show's reality, and as I said, I think it's all surprisingly cohesive in the end, in part because of the way S4 & 5 pick up forgotten S1 elements and make them relevant.



Yeah, I watched it all via DVD without really knowing much about it. When I was on Season 4 I kept thinking "right, when is it all gonna go back to normal?"... and it never did. I mean they sorta cheated a bit by Olivia getting her memories back from the Blue universe, but still.. It almost felt like I'd wasted my time watching a lot of those episodes.

The thing is, though, that for most of the season, Peter and the others were operating under the misconception that the "amber universe" was a separate reality from the "blue universe" and that he could get back to that one. The fact was, the amber universe was the blue universe, just with its events altered due to red-universe Peter dying in the lake. So effectively we'd been watching the "real" Olivia and Walter and the others all along, just with their memories changed. We just didn't find that out until late in the season.

Granted, that did make S4 a little harder to get into. But it was rather poignant to see this even more damaged version of Walter, and Peter's efforts to get through to him and renew their bond. It was an interesting reversal -- originally Walter wanted Peter in his life and Peter resisted any connection, but now, three years later, Peter was the one who valued their bond and Walter was the one who wanted no part of it. It was frustrating to see the relationship reset, but engaging to see them rebuild it, this time with Peter as the initiator.


Question, was what eventually happened with the Observers always the plan from the beginning? It did kinda feel like "erm, so after all that they're evil Nazi's from the future... ok."

I don't know if it was always the plan, but they did a reasonably good job making it feel like it was. Granted, there were some jarring differences between the Observers we met in the first four seasons and the Invaders of the fifth; the latter seemed more human, more ruthless, more grounded in linear time. But I think it works if you think of the Observers like September as a specialized scientific class with a different set of skills and a different outlook than the rank-and-file future men.


Also, obviously everyone loves Leonard Nimoy, and I understand maybe health issues prevented him from being there a lot or whatever it was. But the character of William Bell really deserved a lot more development than, what, appearing in about 8 episodes all together?

Bell's development was one of the more inconsistent things about the show, especially in season 4. Maybe it's just as well that he remained mostly a mysterious, behind-the-scenes figure. But what we did get was fun. Not only the Nimoy appearances, but Anna Torv's astonishingly dead-on Nimoy impression. She really was an amazing chameleon, on a par with Tatiana Maslany (and infinitely better at transforming herself than Alias's Jennifer Garner, who was supposedly playing a master of disguise but never really changed more than superficially).
 
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