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For those of us who don't hate the Nu Enterprise but don't love it

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Winky-blinkly lights going on and off in repeating patterns at every manned station look cheesy...

Colored plastic cubes arranged in criss-cross patterns as "control panels" look cheesy...

Static pictures of planets and galaxies mounted above all the stations look cheesy...

Whirling moire patterns as instrument displays look cheesy...

Fiberglass pedestal dinette chairs as station seating look cheesy...

By today's standards.
I guess you didn't think they were cheesy when you saw TOS for the first time in the 60s?

They were all in black-and-white on a tiny screen. The show was almost radio. :lol:
 
Of course... it IS an "alt-universe." So there's still no reason to conclude (other than by listening to people on this BBS who know nothing more than any of the rest of us do) that the movie won't give us a much more "TOS-ish" ship for the final sequences (post-reset-button).

That won't happen. This timeline mess is an excuse to reboot without doing a full reboot that would wipe away all of the other canon.

I'm fine with that, but let's call it what it is.
 
Adding nonsensical clutter just to look ... and I'm waiting for "the gang" to simultaneously have a hissy fit over my use of this term... to look "kewl" is just CHEESY.

It's tiresome, sure, but no longer effective as baiting. Sorry.

Of course... it IS an "alt-universe." So there's still no reason to conclude (other than by listening to people on this BBS who know nothing more than any of the rest of us do) that the movie won't give us a much more "TOS-ish" ship for the final sequences (post-reset-button).

That won't happen. This timeline mess is an excuse to reboot without doing a full reboot that would wipe away all of the other canon.

Exactly. These folks just want to make a successful film and then move on doing Trek their way. So far, that looks likely to work. The extent to which the folks who are expecting to see some sort of "TOS rollback" are being foolish will be very clear in May... for the moment, no matter how many times they're hit in the face with what's happening (the trailers, the designs, the bits of storyline) some people go right back into denial until the next shock. :techman:
 
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The new Enterprise just looks like the Enterprise to most people. Same as the TMP and TNG Enterprises did. "Familiarity and recognition" work just fine with this version, as far as at least nine out of ten viewers who even know what Trek is are concerned.


My parents came over to my house to watch the premiere of "Broken Bow" way back in 2001. During the show, my dad made the comment "They sure did go through a lot of trouble to make it look like the old ship."

Of course, he also said "That was about the classiest intro Star Trek has ever done."

The disconnect between internet Trekkies and regular people can be startling at times.


IMO, The new ship looks fine.
 
My parents came over to my house to watch the premiere of "Broken Bow" way back in 2001. During the show, my dad made the comment "They sure did go through a lot of trouble to make it look like the old ship."

Of course, he also said "That was about the classiest intro Star Trek has ever done."

The disconnect between internet Trekkies and regular people can be startling at times.

That's a good story and one I can relate to from a lot of experiences.

We are a self-selected group of people who care way too much about...everything, but specifically about the details. :lol:

BTW and apropos of nothing, Kelso has always been one of my favorite one-shot Trek characters and I'm not sure why. It does have to do with that moment where he leans back and says "I'm kind of proud of the job we've done." Maybe it's the actor's delivery.
 
As for the general arrangement... Uhura is much further away from Kirk, and there's no railing in between (for McCoy to lean on as he so often did in TOS). The distance between Kirk and either Sulu or Chekov is much further (and it's not like the space is being well-used... the advantage of a large console is limited to "how far your arms can reach" after all). How many times did Kirk leap forward to the helm console in TOS? In the new bridge, he'll have to take a short jog to get there, won't he?

Yep, there was a lot of subtle crew behavior with the original set, especially with Kirk. One other thing, I don't think "Kirk" will stand next to his chair to use the armrest controls.

Nitpicking? Not so much... because the point was "keeping the same general size, shape and arrangement. And it's not "the same" at all.

Better? Worse? We can dispute that all day long. But "the same?" Not remotely.
In name only.
 
The new Enterprise just looks like the Enterprise to most people. Same as the TMP and TNG Enterprises did. "Familiarity and recognition" work just fine with this version, as far as at least nine out of ten viewers who even know what Trek is are concerned.


My parents came over to my house to watch the premiere of "Broken Bow" way back in 2001. During the show, my dad made the comment "They sure did go through a lot of trouble to make it look like the old ship."

Of course, he also said "That was about the classiest intro Star Trek has ever done."

The disconnect between internet Trekkies and regular people can be startling at times.


IMO, The new ship looks fine.
:guffaw::guffaw: Sounds ''ALOT'' Like my parents ( The NX-O1 looking like the ''OLD'' E)
 
I think I must be one of the few who actually got more excited about Trek XI after seeing the look of the JJprise...

:) I'm really glad they aren't sticking to the original - as great as it is, I'm more keen on seeing the JJprise in this movie...

I love everything about it - the large nacelles, the blue bussards, the TMP-style primary hull, the pronounced deflector-dish - everything about it has me inspired in this movie.

And I'm all about the starships, truth be told.

:) Call it whatever you will - an alt-timeline, etc... I love the look of this new movie, and am 100 per cent sold on the look and style of this Enterprise.

Roll on the movie!!!!!

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I love everything about it - the large nacelles, the blue bussards, the TMP-style primary hull, the pronounced deflector-dish - everything about it has me inspired in this movie.

I like most of it. The so-called "engineering hull" is the only dubious bit IMAO.

The ship looks great from quite a few angles. Moreso than the refit, IMHO. The awkward angles do seem more jarring than the refit though, but I think that's more due to familiarity than anything else.
 
I don't know, the rear-above view is pretty damn awkward. The way the fantail/pylon area tapers is just... wrong.
 
Star Trek is about getting the details and the vision right together. That's why simple and less is better. I think the ship's exterior is perfect. Int. gets a little space bally and Galaxy questy. I'm hoping for a galaxy quest II BTW. In fact I can't wait for it. The new name for the Trekkie is now simply gonna be called the Fanny.
 
Polaris, you're a fanny - the new trekkie.

That word has very different connotations in this country - it frequently amazes me how Americans just throw it out there all the time. Of course I know what it means over there, but for a split second I reflexively think you are referring to, well.. best left unsaid really. :alienblush:
 
I think this nuEnterprise a poor design choice on a number of levels. The reason the costumes work is that if you look at them quickly they look very much like the originals, you need a double take to spot the difference. This nuEnterprise immediately looks different you might see it and think it is from an era not belonging to TOS. There was no real attempt to go back to the original and it is obvious. There was a lot of opportunity for the designer to bring back the original ship but what we get instead is various different elements from the film and TNG series. The corridor, the bridge is way off in colour and feel. The corridors seem like a real lazy attempt at 'updating' the look of the ship, overly white washed, they scream; I wanna look like the interrior of the Star Wars Corellian Corvette Ship in the opening sequence of Episode IV. The new bridge design it has been noted many times looks like an Apple ad. Now look back at the pilot the Cage, the cool grey colours, the fact that many of the insturments are controled by people waving their arms over the contol panels. There is so much stuff in the original Star Trek pilot that an intelligent set designer can take and rework and update, it looks like no visual element in this film is trying to pay homage to the original look of TOS. You look at what Enterprise (the tv show) did when they went to the Mirror Universe, or even what what James Cawley is doing on New Voyages/Phase II and you have to wonder if those set designers were in charge what they would have come up with on the big screeen. This was a lost opportunity in recreating the orignal look of TOS, its as if none of those guys ever saw an episode.
 
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