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For Gallifrey!!!
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Well the Novel "The Eight Doctors" did bring Rassilon back but as book a) pretty average and b) non-canon
It has been theorized by fans including myself that the Time Lord's much like they did with the Master, resurrected Rassilon to lead them during the latter stages of the Time War unhappy with Lady President Romana's leadership for whatever reason. I believe RTD did confirm that it was Rassilon. I don't have a problem with it. If the Time Lord's can bring back the Master why not Rassilon? It also goes with their portrayal as well.
Because a lot of people are racist even when they insist they're not.
How much do we know about the timeline of the Time War thus far? I always had the impression that it was fought in a non-linear, timey-wimey way, but how much do we really know?
We only know what RTD wrote in his essay as far as I know and Romana was the President in it so if we assume Rassilon was resurrected then it must have been during the latter stages when things were more desperate.
Based on what is seen on the show, there had to be some linear component to it, at least from the perspective of the Time Lords and Daleks. In The End of Time, the Visionary's prophecies state that it is, the last day of the Time War. Presumably, the battles take place in different time periods across enternity, though the only exact details about the actual fighting come from the Partisan's dialogue just before Rassilon vaporizes her.
Otherwise, we just know weird names for things that are apparentally horrific and that the Time Lords were responsible for. Like the Nightmare Child (which Davros was presumed lost to), the Skaro Degradations, the Travesty of Hordes, and my personal favourite, the Could Have Been King with his Army of Meanwhiles and Never Weres. Seriously that name is so weird it's awesome. Also, the Dalek Emperor taking something called the Cruciform was a pivotal turning point which convinced the Master the Time Lords were on the losing side.
If you're looking for things not said on screen, there's RTD's aforementioned essay which provides a brief history behind the Time War. Also, The Writer's Tale explains the resurrection of the Master and Rassilon to be a result of the Time Lords being so desperate they were resurrecting everyone from their past. RTD also indicates in the book that he's thought the Time War out in such detail that he could write a novel about it he wished to. Or at least that's my interpretation of one point where he writes "someday, I should write a Time War novel."
^ I hope he does. I'd buy it in a second.
It's not pathological at all. The Time Lords were always twats. They only ever showed up for the purpose of being twats. Given the chance, who wouldn't dispose of them?
I still really need to pick up "A Writer's Tale". I have flipped through it before in the book store but haven't been able to pick up...I get paid this week, maybe I'll do so then. I do remember being amused by RTD's fondness over the creation of Penny who was like the proto-Donna, a companion he never got to use.
Well not totally, I mean I can imagine there's also be a right on brigade bemoaning that "Oh look the villain's black" as well so the sword would cut both ways.
I think some people just have a certain perception of the character and just can't imagine it done differenty, and I know I fall into that category. A Black Doctor or Master is fine, but a woman Doctor or Master would make me a lot more uneasy, though I'm no more sexist than I'm racist, it just doesn't seem right somehow.
I don't think that's sexist, and here's why:
Nothing about the Doctor's or the Master's skin colors is relevant to the characters. If they were to have non-"European" skin shades, it would be completely irrelevant, as they aren't Human and aren't from a society where (so far as we know) skin color matters. In fact, the Doctor even said that Time Lords can change skin color from regeneration to regeneration in "Death of the Doctor, Part II," so they probably lack the concept of "race" as relates to skin color which exists in our societies.
By contrast, however, the Doctor and the Master are both very decidedly masculine characters, and their masculinity, expressed in different ways, is a fundamental part of their characters that goes unchanged from regeneration to regeneration. Their skin color is not intrinsic to what kind of character they are; their sex is.
Has there ever been shown a black time-lord? in the old days?
If not, then it's possible that Gallifrey simply does not have dark skinned Gallifreians.
If there are none in the genetic pool, then any regeneration should not produce one.
If not, then it's possible that Gallifrey simply does not have dark skinned Gallifreians.
If there are none in the genetic pool, then any regeneration should not produce one.
I can't point directly at one, but, I'm sure we must've seen Blacks on Galifrey at some point.
There was a black Time Lord called the Chancellor just in last year's Time War-era flashbacks in "The End of Time, Part Two." He seemed to be the Lord President Rassilon's chief adviser. We also saw a black Time Lord in the Master's childhood flashback sequences in "The Sound of Drums." And, as indicated before, the Doctor told Clive that he could regenerate into any skin color in "Death of the Doctor, Part Two."
So, yes, there are black Time Lords (... or, rather, there were black Time Lords before the Doctor killed them all along with the rest of his people...), and regeneration could cause a Time Lord of any given skin tone to assume any other given skin tone. Which only makes sense, since skin color is genetically far less major of a difference in phenotype than, say, blood type.
First, SJA quotes don't count.
Then, we don't know how/why regeneration works. Is the look you get dependent on genetics? environment? ancestors?
Then, we don't know how/why regeneration works. Is the look you get dependent on genetics? environment? ancestors?
Says who?
Um, yes they do. It's a canonical spin-off, set in the same universe. It "counts" as much as any Angel quote would count in a Buffy discussion, for example.Similar threads
