For Gallifrey!!!

[Icemizer]

I always thought it silly that all the Time Lords(except the Doctor & Master) were involved in the war and trapped in the time lock. As for the Time Lords being boring and dull...well thats just a writers excuse because he cant come up with something interesting to do with them.

 

[Starkers]

Whilst I still don't think we should ever see more than glimpses of the Time War, I'm still intrigued as to exactly how the Doctor survived. The End of Time hinted that this was because the Doctor was essentially acting as a rogue element (for want of a better term) by the end of the war. He did seem somewhat surprised that he survived at times though.

 

[JRoss]

Easy way to restore the Time Lords? Remember how in that awful "Daleks in Manhattan" story it turns out all you need is some Dalekanium, DNA and lightning to make some being into another species?

The scenario: the Doctor finds a ship frozen in time, with some Daleks and humans. The humans are revived but it turns out that their minds are complete blanks. Just let the Doctor zap them all to be Time Lords, spend some time educating them and be on his merry way.

 

[Starkers]

I'm still dissapointed that this wasn't part of the Master's plan for financing Lazarus. I figured he wanted to find a way to increase his own number of regenerations, and possibly find a way to mutate humans into Timelords (which should be possible given the reverse is). It would have even tied into the hybrids in Evolution of the Daleks, proving that Timelord DNA could be reborn.

Unfortunately all that effort and funding was apparently just so the Master could turn the doctor into a bloody house Elf!!

 

[TedShatner10]

Well it does seem unfair how the Daleks keep on coming back as a major force while the Time Lords should be indefinetly abscent, but at least there is an opening for the Time Lords and their homeworld to come back, with the Time War eventually resolved (and political fall out from the fight between the Master and Rassilon, with perhaps a Time War era Romana introduced with a bang).

But next time we should see the Time Lords again as a major force should be a multi-Doctor story involving McGann, Eccelston, Tennant, and Smith. The Time War itself with the dueling time ships should mostly be insinuated.

 

[marillion]

I still don't buy that Lord President Bond (love that!) was THE Rassilon. First off, the guy has been dead for how many thousands of years? And when he appeared in the Five Doctors, he looked like the Ghost of Christmas Past, a right jolly old Timelord.. He wasn't a dick. I can see it if somewhere along the line, Lord Presidents took the monikor of "Rassilon" like the Roman Ceasars of old...

I think there's room for TL stories out there... After all, with the whole timey-whimey, wibbly-wobbly thing, it can happen..

 

[The]

As for the Time Lords being boring and dull...well thats just a writers excuse because he cant come up with something interesting to do with them.

Exactly. Some may drink the kool-aid and agree with said lazy writers, but the truth is obvious...

 

[VDCNI]

I assume he just didn't want any navel gazing, sub Shakespearean, men in robes making speeches which is what the time lords have mostly brought to Who.

I don't see why he didn't just ignore them - the McCoy years did that and it was fine.

 

[QCzar]

I assume he just didn't want any navel gazing, sub Shakespearean, men in robes making speeches which is what the time lords have mostly brought to Who.

I don't see why he didn't just ignore them - the McCoy years did that and it was fine.

You could even keep the actual appearances down to no more than one or two per every two or three series. All other times you could ignore them. I think the audience could have handled that, but it's obvious Davies couldn't.

It's basically a Tom Bombadil.

 

[Mr Light]

My impression was that there was a final apocalyptic battle over Gallifrey with the two fleets meeting and the Doctor used some final god-like device to burn them all out of existence, but since he was the one throwing the switch he ended up being immune to it and survived.

I really wouldn't find it hard to believe that a couple Time Lords bugged out and went into hiding before the end and survived. Maybe there's a whole bunch of unopened fob watches out there!

 

[QCzar]

Did the Time Lords even have colonies and what not? I've always wondered about that. Did every single solitary Time Lord live on Gallifrey? Considering the Doctor, Romana, the Master and the Rani, I'm guessing not.

 

[The]

My instinct would have been to approach the Time Lords like they did when the show began: The Doctor is on the run from an ancient and powerful people...his own...for reasons unknown. You don't have to show them because The Doctor's main impetus is to stay away from them. Problem solved and nothing has to change. Don't get me wrong. I don't really mind them being dead, and I love the Time War idea. But, to eliminate them completely because you can't think of anything to say with them isn't fair to the material, or the audience. I'm sure, as with everything, that will change one day and we will be discussing where they went wrong in bringing the Time Lords back...

 

[Skywalker]

I'd like to see the Time Lords come back. Or at least a few of them. The Doctor being the last one left has been played out. It's not interesting anymore.

 

[The Wormhole]

I still don't buy that Lord President Bond (love that!) was THE Rassilon. First off, the guy has been dead for how many thousands of years? And when he appeared in the Five Doctors, he looked like the Ghost of Christmas Past, a right jolly old Timelord.. He wasn't a dick. I can see it if somewhere along the line, Lord Presidents took the monikor of "Rassilon" like the Roman Ceasars of old...

Well, from the point of view of simple logic, there is no reason why he can't be that Rassilon. Do we really believe the Time Lords would resurrect a criminal like the Master without bothering with their founding father?

Also, The Writer's Tale confirms that he is supposed to be that Rassilon, with RTD indicating he would have brought back the same actor from The Five Doctors if he were still alive.

Finally, I have heard some people state while Rassilon's depiction in The End of Time is the first time he's been actually evil, the audio dramas which have featured him over the years have made it clear he was never an angel.

 

[QCzar]

Rassilon has always struck me as more of a Female Changeling type of character, not really evil so much as simply ruthless. Dalton's Rassilon did seem a little self-obsessed, but then he is a Time Lord.

 

[Sci]

I still don't buy that Lord President Bond (love that!) was THE Rassilon. First off, the guy has been dead for how many thousands of years? And when he appeared in the Five Doctors, he looked like the Ghost of Christmas Past, a right jolly old Timelord.. He wasn't a dick. I can see it if somewhere along the line, Lord Presidents took the monikor of "Rassilon" like the Roman Ceasars of old...

Well, from the point of view of simple logic, there is no reason why he can't be that Rassilon. Do we really believe the Time Lords would resurrect a criminal like the Master without bothering with their founding father?

Also, The Writer's Tale confirms that he is supposed to be that Rassilon, with RTD indicating he would have brought back the same actor from The Five Doctors if he were still alive.

Finally, I have heard some people state while Rassilon's depiction in The End of Time is the first time he's been actually evil, the audio dramas which have featured him over the years have made it clear he was never an angel.

Also, it's an appropriate parallel to the Daleks. When they fought the Time War, they brought back their society's founder, Davros. When the Time Lords fought the war, they brought back their society's founder, Rassilon. And both Davros and Rassilon eventually sought to destroy all of creation in the name of self-interest and nationalism.

 

[Whofan]

^Davros was brought back much earlier than that, in Destiny of the Daleks, to help against the Movellans. Last time we saw him in the classic series, he was seen evacuating the Dalek mothership in an escape pod (Rememberance of the Daleks).


Personally, despite decent performances by Terry Molloy and Julian Bleach, I thought bringing back Davros way back in "Destiny" was a mistake-the character was most effective in-and his arc over with-in Genesis of the Daleks.


Davros's nihillism is actually probably inspired by Genesis as well: There's a conversation he has with the Fourth Doctor in which he displays a similar attitude...a scene that even inspired a recent WETA statue.

 

[marillion]

I still don't buy that Lord President Bond (love that!) was THE Rassilon. First off, the guy has been dead for how many thousands of years? And when he appeared in the Five Doctors, he looked like the Ghost of Christmas Past, a right jolly old Timelord.. He wasn't a dick. I can see it if somewhere along the line, Lord Presidents took the monikor of "Rassilon" like the Roman Ceasars of old...

Well, from the point of view of simple logic, there is no reason why he can't be that Rassilon. Do we really believe the Time Lords would resurrect a criminal like the Master without bothering with their founding father?

Also, The Writer's Tale confirms that he is supposed to be that Rassilon, with RTD indicating he would have brought back the same actor from The Five Doctors if he were still alive.

Finally, I have heard some people state while Rassilon's depiction in The End of Time is the first time he's been actually evil, the audio dramas which have featured him over the years have made it clear he was never an angel.

Also, it's an appropriate parallel to the Daleks. When they fought the Time War, they brought back their society's founder, Davros. When the Time Lords fought the war, they brought back their society's founder, Rassilon. And both Davros and Rassilon eventually sought to destroy all of creation in the name of self-interest and nationalism.

Very good points, both of you.. I shall revise my earlier thoughts on the matter.

 

[Stevil2001]

Though I love the mystique of the Time Lords, the ridiculous Council scene that opens "The End of Time, Part Two" proved to me, without reservation, that they were better off dead.

 

[Meredith]

The Master is now in the time lock, and potentially has Rassilon at his feet. Who knows what havoc he can cause? He could probably fix himself too since I assume he'd have access to Timelord technology in the time lock.

RTD left it nice and open for whoever decides to pick the plot back up.

Doctor 10 was practically GUSHING about how brilliant the Master is...... I wouldn't be suprised if the eventual Return of Galifrey is handled by the Master.

I could see the master "posessing" Rassilon, could make for a great reveal near the end of an episode.

Also I have to wonder what would happen if one of the Many Masters that were teplated across earth were to find a way to make the change permanent, that could be another way for him to bring it all back using him like Rassilon used the master in the EOT.