For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER
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Awesome!
Not totally sold on the age makeup of Kinnaman, at least his beard looks really fake and glued on for me but oh well.
Ressource race seems to be the thing this season and i can see this becoming an issue with mankind expanding into its own system and he who controls ressources has control overall. There seems to be quite a few factions now - the US, North Koreans ( really? They're barely capable of sending a person to Mars much less organize something worthwile there), the Soviets ( well well well - who do we have here in a second long screenshot? Our favorite naive engineer Margo) and Helios all racing to get the biggest slice of the pie.
I love how futuristic yet "real" this all looks now, this could be us if we had invested the money at the right moment as a race but that's the whole premise of the show, isn't it. So only a couple of weeks and it's lift off again.
Not totally sold on the age makeup of Kinnaman, at least his beard looks really fake and glued on for me but oh well.
Ressource race seems to be the thing this season and i can see this becoming an issue with mankind expanding into its own system and he who controls ressources has control overall. There seems to be quite a few factions now - the US, North Koreans ( really? They're barely capable of sending a person to Mars much less organize something worthwile there), the Soviets ( well well well - who do we have here in a second long screenshot? Our favorite naive engineer Margo) and Helios all racing to get the biggest slice of the pie.
I love how futuristic yet "real" this all looks now, this could be us if we had invested the money at the right moment as a race but that's the whole premise of the show, isn't it. So only a couple of weeks and it's lift off again.
Suh-weet.
Looks like they're starting to get out into the asteroid belt this go round...
Realistically, we should start seeing things look more sci-fi going forward. If people are permanently on Mars, there would be a real rush to knock the travel time down. Constant acceleration ships, etc. Stuff getting towards the Expanse, though not that advanced yet. The technology curve in this world should be way steeper than ours at this point.
Looks like they're starting to get out into the asteroid belt this go round...
Realistically, we should start seeing things look more sci-fi going forward. If people are permanently on Mars, there would be a real rush to knock the travel time down. Constant acceleration ships, etc. Stuff getting towards the Expanse, though not that advanced yet. The technology curve in this world should be way steeper than ours at this point.
Oh, I'm also interested to see what happens with traitor Margo this season. Does she become an engineer for the Soviet space program, or is she merely living behind the iron curtain, witness perhaps to some social upheaval?
Cannot come soon enough!
A resource race in space makes a lot of sense and I'm curious to see how that plays out, but I hope that's not the only driving force for the season. Like I talked about before, I really hope we see some exploration into how mankind adjusts to living and reproducing on another planet long term. The sociopolitical nature of the show is a necessary part of the show, but I want, need a deep focus on the science and sociological aspects, too.
I'm likewise curious to see what Margo's role will be this season. While it might be interesting to see how she is observing all of this merely living behind iron curtain, that's not really much of a role to play. She has to have a direct connection to the space program or there's not much point, and I say that someone who thinks she's one of the best characters on the show.
A resource race in space makes a lot of sense and I'm curious to see how that plays out, but I hope that's not the only driving force for the season. Like I talked about before, I really hope we see some exploration into how mankind adjusts to living and reproducing on another planet long term. The sociopolitical nature of the show is a necessary part of the show, but I want, need a deep focus on the science and sociological aspects, too.
I'm likewise curious to see what Margo's role will be this season. While it might be interesting to see how she is observing all of this merely living behind iron curtain, that's not really much of a role to play. She has to have a direct connection to the space program or there's not much point, and I say that someone who thinks she's one of the best characters on the show.
I've really enjoyed her character arc, but she's the character "I love to hate." She's a villain, but not a one-dimensional one. Like most 'bad guys', she was the hero of her own story, trying to do what she thought was best. She was just foolish and naive, that's all, and the Soviets played her like her own piano.
I also found it deliciously ironic that Sergei and his family successfully defected and are living free, given that he was instrumental in seducing and trapping Margo into her treason. He did it reluctantly, but he still did it.
I doubt Margo is just sitting around watching SNN.* She's an extremely well-qualified aeronautical specialist -- there's no way Soviet Roscosmos hasn't made her a major player in their organization.
And there's no way the KGB trusts her. She is also almost certainly a target of KGB surveillance.
My prediction? This is based on nothing except my own brainstorming, but I bet she's actually a double agent, feeding intel back to the CIA as her attempt at redemption for
* Soviet News Network, which I have decided is definitely a real thing that exists in this alternate timeline as a competitor to CNN.
And there's no way the KGB trusts her. She is also almost certainly a target of KGB surveillance.
My prediction? This is based on nothing except my own brainstorming, but I bet she's actually a double agent, feeding intel back to the CIA as her attempt at redemption for
* Soviet News Network, which I have decided is definitely a real thing that exists in this alternate timeline as a competitor to CNN.
Based on the trailer it's clear she's under surveillance and not trusted ( who trusts defectors and traitors anyway?). I don't thinks she's a double agent, i doubt she has what it takes to be one as she's completely apolitical and just wants to do science and technology.
I'm happy though she continues to be in the mix, i really like her character and story arc and am curious what's in store for her.
So happy to see Aleida doing well too, apparently she's high up on the Mars project and probably leading the effort to catch that iridium asteroid. Looks like they have technical problems catching it but could also be enemy attacks - will we see our first actual space battle this season with so many hostile forces swarming around ( i'm not counting Ed's shootdown of the Dragon to avoid an actual fight).
Oh God. I didn’t know this was a 2023 thing. Literally shaking. I love this show so, so much.
Let's go.
I think the show runners have said that Aleida is the one character who will be in this show from start to finish- almost like it's told through the lens of her life and times, as it were.
Really? I missed any reference to that. Obviously things go wrong and there are tensions, but I didn't see anything that screamed 'space battle.' In fact, it sounded like Ed and the Russian commander were working together like old buds.
It's just an assumption on my part - with so many organizations swarming over each other and tensions surely rising it wouldn't take much, especially if the Soviets and North Koreans decide to use force. I don't believe it is likely as it is not the shows' style apart from the few standoffs and casualties over the seasons resulting from tense situations and thin nerves with fingers on triggers.
Time to turn on the AppleTV+ again.
After the opening credits of episode one I expect the first scene to be her getting up in her flat/apartment in Moscow and getting dressed. It seems to be the pattern for episode one of seasons 1-3. I wonder if in advance of the debut they'll release a news catch up montage like the ones for seasons 2 & 3?
I love me some Franz Ferdinand and it was fun hearing them in the trailer. I keep watching just to listen to that to be honest.
https://collider.com/for-all-mankind-season-5-renewal-writer-comments/
Some lingering fallout from the writer's strike.
Some lingering fallout from the writer's strike.
I binged all three seasons while I was on paternity leave so I'm excited to watch weekly for once.
The year-by-year news clips for season 4 have come out on Apple TV, covering the gap between seasons. Based on what's happened the last two seasons, most of it will probably be condensed into an opening montage in the season premiere, but there are always interesting details in the expanded version. I'll sum up the fictional history, if you have trouble pulling up special features on Apple TV (the streaming services do make it difficult, don't they?). If you want the post-scripts showing the real-world history they're riffing on, I don't know, ask an older adult or look it up on Wikipedia.
1996: Ellen Wilson-R defeats Jerry Brown-D in what's described as the greatest Presidential upset since Truman defeated Dewey, making her the first opening gay person elected President. Following her coming out in '95, the GOP turned its back on Wilson, even discussing impeachment proceedings. She benefited from a rally-around-the-flag effect after the Johnson Space Center bombing. Her Vice President attempted to primary her, but she was endorsed by her secretary of state, George H. W. Bush, who she choose as her running mate for her re-election campaign. Bush's endorsement encouraged moderate Republicans that it was acceptable to support Wilson, while she herself was able to win over moderate and conservative Democrats who considered Brown too far to the left.
1997: Wilson and Gorbachev sign the "Mars-7 Alliance" treaty, an agreement to jointly administer the Happy Valley Mars colony. Members are the United States, the Soviet Union, the European Space Agency, the Coalition of Communist Countries for Spaceflight, a group of Soviet-aligned countries including Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, eastern Europe, Ukraine, and Egypt (that's what that red mystery flag with the midcentury communist-style block lettering was), Japan, India, and North Korea. China and Canada elected to remain independent in terms of space exploration. Helios was awarded a contract for expanding the Mars base, rescuing the company from near-bankruptcy following Dev's ouster, Karen's death, and their lunar Helium-3 mines being ruled to be an illegal monopoly (which led to Exxon, Halliburton, and Shell quickly securing their own mining operations on the moon).
1998: Hal Goodman and Sunny Hall were convicted for the Johnson Space Center bombing, on multiple counts of conspiracy and 195 counts of murder. They are both eligible for the death penalty. Jimmy Stevens testified against them, having struck a plea-bargain the previous year for a twelve-year prison sentence and $200,000 fine. Former astronaut Charles Bernitz was not convicted, having been killed in the blast.
1999: The Unity, a new spacecraft built by Helios, sets a new speed record for manned* spaceflight of 100,000 miles per hour, able to travel between Earth and Mars in 31 days. The ship uses a fusion reactor to power a plasma thruster. The previous record transit was Sojourner 3, taking approximately 90 days. The engine makes it practical to travel to and from Mars at any time of the year, rather than having to wait for Earth and Mars to align to their closest relative positions. Helios is already building a second ship of the same design, which is 300 feet long, carrying 100 metric tons of cargo and 50 astronauts. The ship is also spacious, featuring private crew quarters, showers, communal areas, and gyms. This will allow Happy Valley to continue to expand operations, with an eye towards becoming a base for asteroid mining. Asteroids having recently been confirmed to be a literal and proverbial goldmine by the OSIRIS-REx sample-return mission.
2000: Election night nailbiter! Bush v. Gore! But it's Vice President George H. W. Bush, this time, and it all comes down to... Pennsylvania? Gore won Florida by ~1000 votes, despite Katherine Harris deciding not to require overseas absentee ballots to be postmarked on or before election day, a move expected to bolster Bush's total since most of those would likely be from Republican-leaning servicemembers. Gore's victory in Florida is credited partially to the Elián González affair boosting his popularity with the Cuban community. Wilson seemed to attempt to return him to his father in Cuba (as happened in reality under the Clinton administration), or at least was hands-off on the whole situation, while Gore led a coalition of Democrats and Republicans in the Senate to (somehow) grant González citizenship. Breaking news, Gore wins Pennsylvania, giving him 273 electoral votes and the presidency, making Al Gore the 42nd President (oh, right, they skipped Ford's half-term). It is implied he also won the popular vote, having exactly the same number of votes he got in reality (albeit more usefully distributed in the ATL).
2001: Moscow is becoming known as "the Paris of the East" thanks to an "economic miracle" resulting from Gorbachev's policies of glasnost and perestroika opening the USSR to western capitalism. Leningrad, Minsk, and Kiev, among others, are also feeling the good times, attracting corporate investments and luxury retailers. The boom is being led by technical innovations coming out of the Soviet space program, and by exports of heavy metals used to construct batteries and complex electronics. However, class resentment is building against this new group of oligarchs and rising inequality, with Gorbachev's political opponents accusing him and the incipient middle- and upper-classes of selling out (so to speak) the ideals of Marx and Lenin. Observers believe Gorbachev's administration might not survive an economic downturn, which may be coming as iridium and lithium mines are becoming tapped-out. Lack of diversity in the Soviet economy could leave them more vulnerable to recession, though Warren Buffet points out that the Soviet Union still has the largest crude oil reserve in the world, if the energy sector returns to drawing on fossil fuels.
*Their word, you'd think Nixon's Women and the ERA would've had them switching to "crewed" a bit earlier, guess not.
1997: Wilson and Gorbachev sign the "Mars-7 Alliance" treaty, an agreement to jointly administer the Happy Valley Mars colony. Members are the United States, the Soviet Union, the European Space Agency, the Coalition of Communist Countries for Spaceflight, a group of Soviet-aligned countries including Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, eastern Europe, Ukraine, and Egypt (that's what that red mystery flag with the midcentury communist-style block lettering was), Japan, India, and North Korea. China and Canada elected to remain independent in terms of space exploration. Helios was awarded a contract for expanding the Mars base, rescuing the company from near-bankruptcy following Dev's ouster, Karen's death, and their lunar Helium-3 mines being ruled to be an illegal monopoly (which led to Exxon, Halliburton, and Shell quickly securing their own mining operations on the moon).
1998: Hal Goodman and Sunny Hall were convicted for the Johnson Space Center bombing, on multiple counts of conspiracy and 195 counts of murder. They are both eligible for the death penalty. Jimmy Stevens testified against them, having struck a plea-bargain the previous year for a twelve-year prison sentence and $200,000 fine. Former astronaut Charles Bernitz was not convicted, having been killed in the blast.
1999: The Unity, a new spacecraft built by Helios, sets a new speed record for manned* spaceflight of 100,000 miles per hour, able to travel between Earth and Mars in 31 days. The ship uses a fusion reactor to power a plasma thruster. The previous record transit was Sojourner 3, taking approximately 90 days. The engine makes it practical to travel to and from Mars at any time of the year, rather than having to wait for Earth and Mars to align to their closest relative positions. Helios is already building a second ship of the same design, which is 300 feet long, carrying 100 metric tons of cargo and 50 astronauts. The ship is also spacious, featuring private crew quarters, showers, communal areas, and gyms. This will allow Happy Valley to continue to expand operations, with an eye towards becoming a base for asteroid mining. Asteroids having recently been confirmed to be a literal and proverbial goldmine by the OSIRIS-REx sample-return mission.
2000: Election night nailbiter! Bush v. Gore! But it's Vice President George H. W. Bush, this time, and it all comes down to... Pennsylvania? Gore won Florida by ~1000 votes, despite Katherine Harris deciding not to require overseas absentee ballots to be postmarked on or before election day, a move expected to bolster Bush's total since most of those would likely be from Republican-leaning servicemembers. Gore's victory in Florida is credited partially to the Elián González affair boosting his popularity with the Cuban community. Wilson seemed to attempt to return him to his father in Cuba (as happened in reality under the Clinton administration), or at least was hands-off on the whole situation, while Gore led a coalition of Democrats and Republicans in the Senate to (somehow) grant González citizenship. Breaking news, Gore wins Pennsylvania, giving him 273 electoral votes and the presidency, making Al Gore the 42nd President (oh, right, they skipped Ford's half-term). It is implied he also won the popular vote, having exactly the same number of votes he got in reality (albeit more usefully distributed in the ATL).
2001: Moscow is becoming known as "the Paris of the East" thanks to an "economic miracle" resulting from Gorbachev's policies of glasnost and perestroika opening the USSR to western capitalism. Leningrad, Minsk, and Kiev, among others, are also feeling the good times, attracting corporate investments and luxury retailers. The boom is being led by technical innovations coming out of the Soviet space program, and by exports of heavy metals used to construct batteries and complex electronics. However, class resentment is building against this new group of oligarchs and rising inequality, with Gorbachev's political opponents accusing him and the incipient middle- and upper-classes of selling out (so to speak) the ideals of Marx and Lenin. Observers believe Gorbachev's administration might not survive an economic downturn, which may be coming as iridium and lithium mines are becoming tapped-out. Lack of diversity in the Soviet economy could leave them more vulnerable to recession, though Warren Buffet points out that the Soviet Union still has the largest crude oil reserve in the world, if the energy sector returns to drawing on fossil fuels.
*Their word, you'd think Nixon's Women and the ERA would've had them switching to "crewed" a bit earlier, guess not.
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