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First-Timer's Impressions of Deep Space Nine

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It's great that you've started doing this. We have a few rewatch threads, but it's far more interesting to read opinions by someone who's watching the show for the first time.

I had a feeling you'd like Kira and Sisko, and probably Quark, too. :bolian: I had very similar reactions to the characters that you did. I loved Kira from the word go (she is a contender for the title of my all-time favorite Trek character), and had an instant fascination with Garak (just like most people did, I'm sure); Quark was another one I liked right away, while on the other hand I found Bashir annoying in season 1 and thought Siddig's acting was awful - which it was, quite often - though, as others have already said, Bashir's annoyingness was recognized on the show itself by other characters, and was occasionally a source of humor. But he really changes a lot and becomes a really good character by season 4 (and Siddig's acting improved a lot as well), and from that point on he had some great storylines. Not so in the first couple of seasons, I'm afraid - early Bashir-centric episodes are going to be some of the worst you'll have to sit through. Dax is another character that didn't impress me at first - I thought she was a bit dull in S1 - but really grew on me over time.
I can't remember if I liked Odo that much in the first episode or two, but he soon becomes really great, and he keeps getting better in the next seasons. Rene Auberjonois is an awesome actor, and in the next seasons there are a lot of times when Odo seems to be the emotional center of the show. Sisko I liked, but wasn't that impressed with him in the first couple of seasons - it's only by season 3/4 that he really comes into his own, gets some development and becomes really badass (coincidentally - or not - about the time that Avery Brooks shaved his head and grew a goatee ;)).

You're in for a bumpy ride during season 1 - it's DS9's weakest season by far, because the show hadn't really found its footing yet, and there are too many unnecessary TNG guest stars and too many TNG-like standalone "space disease of the weak" episodes, especially in a bad stretch in the middle of the show. But even those episodes are worth seeing because they build characters and relationships that will become very important later on. Characters are DS9's strongest point - and, unlike in most other Trek shows, they actually grow and develop during the show.

I don't agree with the others about season 2, though. There were a few lame episodes in S2 as well, but overall I really enjoyed it. Just stick with the show, and by the end of season 1 there are some awesome episodes, and in season 2 DS9 definitely comes into its own - there's a lot more universe-building, more awesome alien recurring characters, and almost all the main storyarcs of the show are introduced. The alien characters are actually very individualized and alien cultures are complex.

The show really keeps getting better - by season 4, it gets very consistent, and in the last 3 seasons the show is just awesome, particularly seasons 5 and 6. (Although there were a couple of storylines and characterizations I had a problem with in season 7 - they weren't enough to really ruin the show for me, and overall it had a very good ending.)

The mystical elements, related to the Prophets, the Bajoran religion and Sisko's role in it, will return later on, from time to time, but don't expect to see them in every episode. They get to play a much bigger role in later seasons.

And Dax. Perhaps it's because I just recently watched Dollhouse, in where rich people live forever by robbing us poor folk of our identities and plant their own inside us, but I kept having a knee-jerk negative feelings about the whole worm moving from body-to-body. I'm hoping to find more about the host. I even interpreted the Orb-Dax flashback in a negative light... as in "the host being the prisoner of the worm".
You're very wrong about the Trills, the symbionts are not parasites, and the relationship between the hosts and the symbiont is far more complicated. This gets explored more later on. To put it in as simple terms as possible, the symbionts are very long-lived, sentient beings, and when they are joined with a Trill "host", they form a joined Trill, whose personality is a combination of the personalities of the host and the symbiont, and who has all the memories of both the symbiont (in this case, Dax), and the host from the time before the joining (Jadzia). But it's even more complicated than that, because the symbiont has all the memories of its past lives, from its previous hosts. So, in a way, a joined Trill is a combination of the personality and memories of the symbiont, the host, and all the previous hosts. A very small percentage of Trills ever gets to be joined, and joining is very prestigious and sought after, because a joined Trill gains wisdom, knowledge and confidence of hundreds of years, and after the host dies, their memories and knowledge still lives on in the symbiont and its next hosts. But this can all get confusing and overwhelming for the host, which is why they have to undergo training and preparation and they get evaluated by a commission before they are allowed to be joined.

Although Jadzia is not a particularly confused Trill, and usually talks about Curzon (the previous host, the "Old Man" who was Sisko's friend) and other previous hosts as "he" or "she", she also has the memories of having lived their lives, which leads to some emotional confusion in a couple of episodes later on.
 
I'm blown away -- and somewhat appalled -- that cadets who were supposedly the Academy's BEST would have turned privateer like that, instead of immediately reporting back to the fleet for orders. The whole idea that a ship's captain even has the authority to make field promotions like that -- let alone a cadet *acting* as captain thinking he could be right in doing so -- is ludicrous. And that the whole crew followed along? They were the elite, not the deluded wannabe. And it further blew me away at the ease with which Nog bought into it. Frankly, I'm also shocked that Moore wrote this episode, but seeing some of the things he did in BSG, I probably shouldn't be surprised. It's one of my least favorite episodes of the whole series.
But that was the point, Red Squad had been turned into a myth and the cadets were only too happy to buy into that myth because it made them feel special. Red Squad were the best and brightest, and the problem was that they had spent years being told they were the best and brightest. Nog bought into it because he had only just graduated the academy, and while at the academy he had already bought into the idea that Red Squad were special and that they could do anything.

And the best part about the whole episode is that they actually couldn't do anything and they all died in a big fireball. :evil:

Yes, there are logical issues about cadets training on a Defiant class warship near hostile space on the eve of interstellar war, but I am willing to buy into the rest of the story. But only because they died, if they had managed to survive I would have loathed the episode with a passion.

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Eeeeeeexcellent. :D This star rating has excused me from having to read the actual review.

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Hmm, I was hoping for more photoshops on that website, but sadly there was only one of Neelix with a carrot. :( At least I think it was a carrot.

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Bugrit! :(

Kira changed her hair. :( I liked her Emissary hair.
She's a military gal (as opposed to a Cardassian military Gul :p), she doesn't have to have nice hair. No, she needs to keep it boyish.

I was a bit dissapointed by this episode. What fascinated me the most about Emissary, was that it had a certain mystical... or mythological undertones... yeah, I'm just throwing words around with no idea what they mean.
Glad I'm not the only one who does that. :alienblush:

If you're referring to the Prophet stuff then don't be expecting too much from that aspect of the show for the time being. The Bajoran religion will start to play a bigger role towards the end of the season, and there will be a few orb experiences later on, but the next major Prophet/Emissary episode is a fair bit away.

Don't get your hopes up for the time being, DS9 season 1 isn't that good, the writers were still working working with the TNG episodic formula without the same level of quality. The only big difference between the stories of TNG season 6 and DS9 season 1 is that on TNG the ship visited the plot-point whereas on DS9 the plot-point visited the station. That's not to say that there aren't good episodes in the season because there are, just don't be expecting anything radically different from the successful TNG formula at this point.

So I'm digging this political situation very much... with it's unstable governments, ethnic tension and geopolitical stand-off between two expansionist powers.
You'll enjoy season 2 then. :) In season 1 they lay a lot of the groundwork of Bajoran politics and society, and in season 2 they start using that to tell bigger stories about the surrounding region.

And Bashir. Perhaps my dislike at first sight with Bashir happened because I was involved in a very heavy love-fest with Kira, and since he managed to piss her off with his "frontier" comment, he also pissed me off.
No, Bashir is just an annoying git in the first season. In the long run that's a good thing because it shows you how much he has grown, from an overconfident doctor fresh from the academy to... well, I had better not say. ;)

Garak is also amazingly individual being. Worthy of mention, because aliens tend to be portrayed in a too collectivical manner.
I'm sure you probably already know of the cult of Garak, my fellow members like to spread his word around the board, so it goes without saying that he really does turn into an outstanding character. In this episode he's a little rough and not well defined, but Andrew Robinson still manages to make him a memorable character, memorable enough that the writers decided to bring him back. Sadly, that wasn't until season 2, but when he returns he is much sharper, so there's something to look forward to. :)

I'm just throwing in a random spoiler to irritate Jimmy Bob. Irritate him with love, I mean. Hee hee, now he thinks that Garak is on a mission! :devil:

As for aliens being collectivical (I'm afraid my spell-checker red-flagged your word), the Cardassians are particularly good for not falling into that trap. Over the course of the show you will get to know many Cardassians and all of them are portrayed as individuals as opposed to being a mouthpiece for their entire race. The story of the Cardassians is one of the best things about DS9.
 
Welcome to the fold, JB! You are about to have seven years' worth of wonderful adventure, clever stories, enjoyable characters (and they started out making Bashir unlikable), starship battles, our first real look at war in the Trek universe and Worf joining the gang. Oh, I don't want to forget the Defiant. That's in itself worth the ride!
 
A Man Alone

DS9 seems to be really into imitating westerns. All that frontier talk and now schoolmarms.

Speaking of which, does anyone else find Keiko to be a little bit bad for O'Brien? There's something very mentally destructive about her. I kept having this knee-jerk pull to commit suicide.

The main story of the episode was pretty... that "pulling the mask" moment almost managed to ruin whatever interesting insight into prejudice and mob judgement this episode tried to make.

Almost, because I still enjoyed it despite the ridiculous conclusion.

That Odo was also the security officer under the cardassian rule really gave it an interesting angle. And of course drunken bajorans would like to do something to him. New governments, new times... woe to those who were employed by the previous governments.

But what really made it enjoyable were the glimpses into Quark's and Odo's relationship. There's just something very fascinating about the pairing of those two. I can't wait to see more of that explored.

And then the mask pulling scene happens.

"I would have gotten away if it weren't for those cursed Scooby kids."

On a positive note, I have to say that DS9 manages to make some pretty nice quotes so early in the game. Lines that really carry a lot of weight in them.

"Laws change depending on who's making them. Cardassian one day, Federation the next. But justice is justice."


And since I forgot to mention it the first time, I also really digged Emissary's "This "frontier" is my home.".

A very small percentage of Trills ever gets to be joined, and joining is very prestigious and sought after, because a joined Trill gains wisdom, knowledge and confidence of hundreds of years, and after the host dies, their memories and knowledge still lives on in the symbiont and its next hosts.

One could say that it's because of brainwashing. Have this one group of people perfecting their bodies for their entire lives, so if they're true in their "faith", they get to be an expendable flesh to some ancient lifeform and thus complete the purpose of their life. Sounds like a classical case of religious social control.

Because Dax does confuse me. Right now, everyone is talking of Jadzia as just a new body of Dax. "Oh hi Dax, you're new body is hot." And Dax keeps refering to "herself" as "he".

And now a question for the wider circle. Fooling around with GodBen was fun, but I was thinking if everyone wanted star ratings, then I would do star ratings. So does everyone want star ratings?

P.S I have Scott Bakula as my avatar. I'm surprised that TheGodBen hasn't mentioned it yet.
 
Also the first time full watch for me. When it was on the tv missed quite a few episode.For christmas my wife bought DS9 series for me. At the moment half way through season six. Favourite story to date 'The Magnificent Ferengi' laugh a minute.
 
DS9 seems to be really into imitating westerns. All that frontier talk and now schoolmarms.
It was an intentional homage by Michael Piller building upon the idea that Star Trek was Wagon Train to the Stars. Sisko was the new mayor, Kira was a native suspicious of outsiders, Odo was the sheriff... and so forth. That feeling doesn't last very long, by season 2 it is mostly gone.

Speaking of which, does anyone else find Keiko to be a little bit bad for O'Brien? There's something very mentally destructive about her. I kept having this knee-jerk pull to commit suicide.
No, nobody on this forum has ever had a bad word to say about Keiko. :) She's a lovely, pleasant woman.

<whisper>She's standing behind me with a rolling-pin. :scream:</whisper>

And then the mask pulling scene happens.

"I would have gotten away if it weren't for those cursed Scooby kids."
Yeah, I honestly don't know what they were thinking when they wrote that. :wtf:

Random spoiler tag, you know the drill.

One could say that it's because of brainwashing. Have this one group of people perfecting their bodies for their entire lives, so if they're true in their "faith", they get to be an expendable flesh to some ancient lifeform and thus complete the purpose of their life. Sounds like a classical case of religious social control.

Because Dax does confuse me. Right now, everyone is talking of Jadzia as just a new body of Dax. "Oh hi Dax, you're new body is hot." And Dax keeps refering to "herself" as "he".
There's an episode coming up which should help to explain the situation, a quick browse of episode titles should be enough for you to figure out which one. There's also an episode in season 2 where you get to see Jadzia sans Dax and that should help you understand how bonded the host and symbiont become, and there's another Dax episode in season 3 (no, not that one) where you will meet many of Dax's previous hosts. Through those you will understand the host/symbiont bond better, even if you don't want to.

And now a question for the wider circle. Fooling around with GodBen was fun, but I was thinking if everyone wanted star ratings, then I would do star ratings. So does everyone want star ratings?
I'm not bothered, I only do star ratings because I'm mathematically oriented and I enjoy using statistics to understand how I really feel about a thing. All the maths, graphs and comparisons are for me alone, if other people find them interesting then that's a bonus.

P.S I have Scott Bakula as my avatar. I'm surprised that TheGodBen hasn't mentioned it yet.
I didn't notice that it was him because Scott Bakula is a master of disguise. He looks different every time he shows up on Babylon 5.
 
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This is quite possibly the most unique first-time-watch thread I have ever encountered in this forum. :lol:

I will be interested to read your ongoing thoughts, Jimmy Bob.
 
Speaking of which, does anyone else find Keiko to be a little bit bad for O'Brien? There's something very mentally destructive about her. I kept having this knee-jerk pull to commit suicide.

We are totally on the same page there, my friend, except that 'a little bit' is way too much of an understatement. There is no sensible reason at all why O'Brien would be or stay married to her, it simply makes no sense.

There is nary a single scene in all of DS9 wherein Keiko isn't endlessly being extremely annoying for no reason whatsoever. She is a completely useless and counterproductive character. It is an atrocity, atrocity!, that that actress was actually paid money, multiple times, to appear on the show. She is quite possibly one of the top 5 worst actresses ever.
 
Hello. My name is Jimmy Bob and I'm going to watch DS9 for the first time in my life! :)

Bob the Resident Member: "Good for you. :rolleyes:"

*taken back by the rampant hostility*

Umm... so I was thinking that while I'm watching the show I'd post my impressions and thoughts, to share my experience and perhaps...

Bob: "Go away please."

Why do you have to be so mean? I just thought it would be nice if old-timer's could get a taste of what it is like being the first-timer again and...

Bob: "We already have a thread. Clearly intellectually, emotionally, scientifically and factually more superior to yours. Besides, we don't need no random lurkers telling us their "opinions" about our show."

But I thought that was what these forums were all about. I mean, I can just watch the show alone and keep my experience to myself, but I'd much rather do an episode by episode online diary about my experience... that is, if allowed.

*echo*
Hello?
*echo*
Bob?
*echo*

I guess that's a yes then? So...

The Emissary

I was a bit taken back how TNG in-universe the beginning was. I had a slightly different mental image of the show. I didn't know that it started so early in the timeline. And I noticed that Brooks wore that TNG uniform much better than anyone on TNG.

And then the Sisko&Son scenes made me think of Seaquest DSV for some reason. I guess it's the similar 90's vibe. So I started to do a mental recap of DSV and other 90's shows, because for me 90's is a very warm and safe place because I was a kid then. I was only casually observing what went on.

But then Kira came on screen. And when they spoke, my nostalgic mental journey through the 90's was disrupted, and I was suddenly very keenly eating up every single word, and when Gal Dukat said that Sisko's office had been his just two weeks ago... I wasn't actually thinking anymore, I was just very, very immersed and fascinated by this political situation.

Is it that interesting of a pilot? Not really. Voyager and Enterprise pilots are much more satisfying as stand-alone tv experiences. I'm thinking that if one hasn't prepared himself mentally for experiencing 7 seasons, and one just casually glanced through pilots to see what to watch next, then Emissary isn't really that kind of "instant sell" pilot.

The first half was much more interesting than the second half with too many "what is this?" in it. For a moment, the second half even managed to kill the fascination I had just developed.

I actually like it when Trek gets trippy like this. One of my most favorite Trek episodes ever - The Fight - was just amazing on drugs. So I was hoping for the best.

But after the umpteenth "what is this?", I kept thinking that this is so typical; human captain teaches alien lifeforms some "valuable lesson" about corporeal beings, who of course are only "humans" in his speech, and then everyone is happy.

Only... it wasn't linear. :)

I gotta say, there is something different about this show. Something very intriguing and I want to find out what it is. I got my first "not in Kansas" vibe when that religious old guy appeared for the first time and made everyone go slightly "huh?"

About the Characters...


I had an instant love-fest with Kira. Odo made me shrug. Was surprised by Quark, in that he didn't act like a stereotypical ferengi, but like an actual individual. I like Sisko. Also Avery Brooks reminds me of Wayne Brady for some reason :confused:. So that probably added to my positive disposition.

I loved how Picard transported O'Brien away. It made me salute for some reason, while a "single manly tear rolled down my cheek". But O'Brien didn't impress me in TNG, so currently he's the "makes me shrug" character.

Bashir somehow managed to make me dislike him.

And Dax. Perhaps it's because I just recently watched Dollhouse, in where rich people live forever by robbing us poor folk of our identities and plant their own inside us, but I kept having a knee-jerk negative feelings about the whole worm moving from body-to-body. I'm hoping to find more about the host. I even interpreted the Orb-Dax flashback in a negative light... as in "the host being the prisoner of the worm".

Anyway. So, when Sisko and Dax were inside the wormhole, were their surroundings a mirror of their inner selves, or was Dax just experiencing an illusion and Sisko, due to having the magic powers of being a lead characters, just saw the real thing automatically?

No spoilers, please.

So... aye thread or nay thread?

lookin' forward to your reviews, JB. especially since I much enjoyed your ENT reviews. you've got a fresh eye and non-jaundiced view of Trek. go for it!
 
I'm just throwing in a random spoiler to irritate Jimmy Bob. Irritate him with love, I mean. Hee hee, now he thinks that Garak is on a mission! :devil:

Now that's just evil. ;)

Don't forget about...
...time in his shop sewing or hanging around having lunch. Hee hee hee. I can be evil, too.

I love Garak.
 
Babel

There was something very old-fashioned tv about this episode. Especially how it ended, with Sisko drinking his coffee and going "O'Brien!" and everyone laughing "here we go again!". I'm sure there's a special term for it - contrived?

It wasn't bad, it was just way too tv-like, in how it was set up and finished.

I love Kira. And I enjoyed seeing how she kidnapped and infected that scientist with a smile.

I got to see more of Quark's and Odo's interesting frenemyship. Quark really likes to be in the spotlight.

It uses the characters nicely. The only moment I groaned was when Cirroc Lofton had to do that "brain not working" acting... but he was just a kid then. Jake and Sisko relationship still works despite that.

And Colm Meany was just terrific as grumpy O'Brien.

Otherwise meh.
 
Lots of season 1 episodes are like that: average or bad, but with some great character moments and relationship dynamics. As we've all already said, these are show's baby steps. It's best to look at it as buildup for what comes later.

A very small percentage of Trills ever gets to be joined, and joining is very prestigious and sought after, because a joined Trill gains wisdom, knowledge and confidence of hundreds of years, and after the host dies, their memories and knowledge still lives on in the symbiont and its next hosts.

One could say that it's because of brainwashing. Have this one group of people perfecting their bodies for their entire lives, so if they're true in their "faith", they get to be an expendable flesh to some ancient lifeform and thus complete the purpose of their life. Sounds like a classical case of religious social control.
The hosts are not expendable flesh, they retain their personality, although it is changed by being joined with several other personalities.

I don't think any brainwashing is needed, considering all the practical benefits of joining. You're a 20-year old who's just out of school, and you get handed on a plate all those amazing memories of experiences from hundreds of years, as well as lots of various skills, knowledge, experience and confidence in all sorts of fields! And since only talented and promising people are considered for joining, not to mention that their status goes up once they're joined, pretty much all the joined Trills are distinguished people. For instance, Jadzia's previous hosts were scientists, politicians, diplomats, athletes, pilots, so by joining, she got all those skills that she'd have to spend years and decades to gain on her own. And of course, she is all the more likely to get a good post and have a great career, if she is able to deal with those experiences, to draw from them and use them properly. You might even say that she inherited not just Curzon's knowledge and experience, but his friendship with Sisko, too!

For the Trill society at large, it is a great opportunity to save the experience and knowledge and hand it directly to the new generations, in a deeper and easier way than most other species can.

One might also ask if she symbionts need to be brainwashed to agree to joining, and why they would want to be crammed into the bowels of a series of short-lived bipeds, instead of being free to live in their native pools and interact directly with others of their own species! But I'm guessing that joining is also an opportunity for the symbionts to travel and do and experience things they wouldn't get a chance to do in pools. It's a mutually beneficial symbiosis.
 
I just finished up buying all of DS9 on DVD, so I've recently had the pleasure of rewatching it again (haven't seen the earlier seasons in ages). Saw Emissary again last night. I actually found it a good pilot, and enjoyed it more than I did at the time (I was about 10 or 11 when DS9 premiered, and the pilot didn't have enough funky aliens and space battles for my tweenaged self).

I found the script intelligent, and it set up the characters well. Sisko's character arc in the episode (from grieving over Jennifer to resolution) was satisfying. I liked Quark and Jadzia straightaway, and it was interesting to see how the characters were at the beginning (being more familiar with the later seasons).

Picard comes across as a bit of a jerk, though, doesn't he? He essentially plays the 'token jerk admiral' role here. And it was odd that only he showed up to send O'Brien off on the transporter pad (but I guess it would have been expensive to pay the whole TNG cast for one scene). And why didn't the Prophets destroy Dukat's ship when it entered the wormhole (they have no concept of linear time, so they must know this is the man that tries to release their mortal enemy from the Fire Caves in seven years time)? And in the final shot of the station, where is the ENT-D?! It couldn't have warped away that quickly.

Minor nitpicks. It was a good pilot, IMO.
 
And why didn't the Prophets destroy Dukat's ship when it entered the wormhole (they have no concept of linear time, so they must know this is the man that tries to release their mortal enemy from the Fire Caves in seven years time)?
Just because I've been messing around with the spoiler tags and posting complete nonsense in them in order to irritate Jimmy Bob (with love) doesn't mean that it's okay to post spoilers out in the open. :p Please edit your post.


As for Babel, this is standard season 1 fare, very much like something you'd see on TNG except not as good. I like it due to nostalgia, but its your standard disease of the week story.

I got to see more of Quark's and Odo's interesting frenemyship. Quark really likes to be in the spotlight.
That's my favourite part of the episode, it really sums up their relationship quite well. In case you were wondering what Quark was doing working on a freighter, he was the ship's cook. That's not important or anything, just an interesting titbit.

And Colm Meany was just terrific as grumpy O'Brien.
Yes, he is, that's why the writers chose to torture him at least once a season. Every year (well, season 2 through 6) you will get at least one episode where O'Brien is tortured either physically or mentally, it became quite the in-joke. :)
 
Good luck with your watching this show for the first time! I hope you find it as riveting and engaging as I did.

I also love the titles that come with being a fan of this show.,..well of all of the shows. At this point in my life I am a trekkie, trekker, TOSser and a Niner oh yes and since though I disliked ENT...I was in favor of Trip and T'Pol and that makes me a part time Shipper...

The labels...oh the labels...

Be that as it may I hope you make it through all of the seasons and still come away happy with it, it is a great show so have fun with it :)

Vons
 
Speaking of which, does anyone else find Keiko to be a little bit bad for O'Brien? There's something very mentally destructive about her. I kept having this knee-jerk pull to commit suicide.
We are totally on the same page there, my friend, except that 'a little bit' is way too much of an understatement. There is no sensible reason at all why O'Brien would be or stay married to her, it simply makes no sense.

There is nary a single scene in all of DS9 wherein Keiko isn't endlessly being extremely annoying for no reason whatsoever. She is a completely useless and counterproductive character. It is an atrocity, atrocity!, that that actress was actually paid money, multiple times, to appear on the show. She is quite possibly one of the top 5 worst actresses ever.
:rolleyes: Oh, not that again. I seriously don't get all the hate for Keiko. Anyone who has ever lived in a grown up relationship knows that it can't be happy-go-lucky all the time. Arguments and dissatisfactions are just a part of a relationship as are love and understanding. Therefore I found the portrayal of Miles' and Keiko's marriage rather realistic. Keiko had her own needs and desires, just as Miles had his. But despite all this they had a deep love for one another. Also, I always found Rosalind Chao's acting to be quite adequate. So, again, I don't see why so many people hated her so much.

Don't forget about...
...time in his shop sewing or hanging around having lunch. Hee hee hee. I can be evil, too.
We're just teasing ya, JB. :p

But it's all TheGodBen's fault. He made us do it. :( I reckon he's secretly in love with you and wants to engage in physical activities. Just ask Anwar!
 
Picard comes across as a bit of a jerk, though, doesn't he? He essentially plays the 'token jerk admiral' role here.
I don't think so. Picard is just obviously very uncomfortable standing before a man who lost his wife at Wolf 159, being reminded of the worst experience of his life, and probably feeling guilty even though there wasn't anything he really could have done anything when the Borg assimilated him.

And why didn't
the Prophets destroy Dukat's ship when it entered the wormhole (they have no concept of linear time, so they must know this is the man that tries to release their mortal enemy from the Fire Caves in seven years time)?
Because
that's exactly what they wanted, so the Pah-wraiths could be destroyed? They thought that this was meant to happen, or something like that?
This would probably be the in-universe explanation; of course, the real explanation is that the writers had no idea where the storyline would go when the show started, and basically pulled all that later stuff out of their asses.

What a crazy thread, lots of spoiler tags without spoilers, and then someone posts an actual spoiler without the tags. :cardie: It's like someone dropped the spoiler to the groun and the tags fell off and broke into a dozen pieces scattered all over the place.
 
:rolleyes: Oh, not that again. I seriously don't get all the hate for Keiko. Anyone who has ever lived in a grown up relationship knows that it can't be happy-go-lucky all the time. Arguments and dissatisfactions are just a part of a relationship as are love and understanding. Therefore I found the portrayal of Miles' and Keiko's marriage rather realistic. Keiko had her own needs and desires, just as Miles had his. But despite all this they had a deep love for one another. Also, I always found Rosalind Chao's acting to be quite adequate. So, again, I don't see why so many people hated her so much.
Agreed completely, I didn't even know that she was hated by so many until I joined this board. Marriage isn't all sex and cookies (cookies? :wtf:), often it is filled with arguments, disagreements, whining and selfishness, but if you love the person you're able to overlook that stuff because of the sex and sweet biscuit-y snacks. In that regard the O'Brien marriage felt very real, and was only rivalled by the O'Brien/Bashir romance.

We're just teasing ya, JB. :p

But it's all TheGodBen's fault. He made us do it. :( I reckon he's secretly in love with you and wants to engage in physical activities. Just ask Anwar!
Hopefully I'll be more successful this time, Anwar and I have yet to have any sex or cookies. :(

Is there something wrong with me if I really, really, really want to fix this error? :confused:
 
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