Similar model as well with the first three episodes being described as broader and more targeted towards the ostensible "new audience" before pivoting towards much deeper Star Trek lore for the pre-existing fans.
Spoilers First Reviews
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As usual, I found myself fast forwarding past Tom's comments.
He's a grumpy old man.
Well, this is the internet. We're gonna' get confused & complain regardlessMoved all posts concerning the early reviews from the general discussion thread to this one specifically about the reviews.
Hope this doesn’t cause any confusion, but it’s good to have it all in one place.
Oh my, THAT'S a spoiler.
Pretty undecided if I would have preferred to experience this unspoiled, or if it's better to know the direction in advance to not be weirded out so much.
Still - very Kurtzman to have this weird mix of "not your father's Trek" but then have critical plot points depend on story beats from 30 year old television shows (yes, I like DS9 - it's still a 90s spin-off show. Modern kids will NOT be up to date on its storylines!)
Oh that wasn't Kurtzman, it was Tawny Newsome.
She's an absolutely giant fan of Deep Space Nine so it's no surprised that she tied the episode she wrote back to it.
You're going to hate-watch the shit out of this. We all know it.
Let's hope it's more PRO than late-DIS
This episode will acclimate us to the series
The highlights for me:
Collider: fifth episode deftly brings the past together with the future with an exploration of one of the franchise's most underrated heroes
CBR: One episode even addresses a question involving a Deep Space Nine character that fans still ponder a quarter-century later.
Inverse: stuffed with Easter eggs, and some very unexpected cameos
/Film: it also wants to appeal to the hardcore Trekkies, exploring the current status of the Klingon Empire (a massive swing that connects with unexpected force), Betazed politics (more interesting than you'd think!), and the lingering mysteries of a certain season finale that "Trek" fans still passionately discuss (episode 5 is going to inspire some of the biggest online conversations in ages).
The Wrap: “Deep Space Nine” loyalists will want to tune into an ode to Benjamin Sisko in an endearing fifth episode
I know several people who had their first experience of Trek through Disco. It was one of the benefits of having it on Netflix. Then Paramount shot themselves in the foot, as usual, by pulling it off there and putting it on their far less popular platform.
Incidentally, as one of those grandfathered Trek fans, I am less annoyed by the "Kurtzman Trek shows" than I was by the Berman shows.
Your preferences as an individual don't establish any lesson. If it was objectively more popular than the other series, that might establish the point, but it plainly wasn't.
The fact that you've already dismissed it as such before it even airs already tells me everything that I need to know about what you're going to say. You've probably already written your review. Don't even try to pretend that you ever had even the slightest intention of actually giving the show a chance. It's tiresome, bad faith, not to mention intellectually dishonest and borderline trollish. We all see it, even if you don't. Calling something a "trainwreck" before it even airs isn't a critique, it's drama queen-level performance.
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Given the spoiler my guesses are going to be among the following. Obviously I don't expect all of them to show up, but a combination of these characters.
Jake, Dax, Kira or Kassidy, seen through old interviews about Ben.
jessie gender's review has me excited, especially for episode 5, Tawny Newsome's episode, which reviewers are saying is peak Trek!
i would be so excited if Avery Brooks actually would appear, but i don't think he acts anymore. Maybe we will get a cameo from a Dax , or holograms of Kira, Jake, or someone
Looper: In research assignments where the characters must learn about icons of "Star Trek" past, one is the long-missing "Deep Space Nine" protagonist Benjamin Sisko, now a folkloric hero in-universe, whose legacy is explored in an episode that couldn't be more of a transparent attempt to try and coax Avery Brooks out of retirement.
Mortal Cinema: The future Ferengi mask from Discovery gets some reuse. Darem presents as human but is actually a blue alien who can shape-shift. The entire fifth episode is a tribute of sorts to Deep Space Nine, with some Marvel-style surprises. Avery Brooks isn’t back, but the episode, cowritten by Newsome, is as loaded with Easter eggs as Lower Decks, and features a new role for Newsome in live-action that isn’t Mariner. Chiwetel Ejiofor performs a key voice-over without ever showing his face on camera.
What are Marvel-style surprises like?
Mortal Cinema: The future Ferengi mask from Discovery gets some reuse. Darem presents as human but is actually a blue alien who can shape-shift. The entire fifth episode is a tribute of sorts to Deep Space Nine, with some Marvel-style surprises. Avery Brooks isn’t back, but the episode, cowritten by Newsome, is as loaded with Easter eggs as Lower Decks, and features a new role for Newsome in live-action that isn’t Mariner. Chiwetel Ejiofor performs a key voice-over without ever showing his face on camera.
What are Marvel-style surprises like?
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I have to say, I kinda hate how Trek has been edging towards the Sisko having never returned, because he basically promises Kasidy he will return to help raise their child at the end of DS9. This was explicitly because Brooks didn't want Ben to be another black deadbeat dad (Ira wanted him gone for good). So the decision to have him absent for 800 years directly undermines this intention.
Please tell me Tawny hasn't cast herself as Sisko's daughter.
Yeah, which is why it's likely the only thing that would have even smallest bit of a chance of getting Avery Brooks back is something that would confirm that Sisko quickly came back.
He's Space Jesus; everyone looking for his return.
I thought that was Kahless.
Didn't he already return? Oh, he didn't do impersonating though, right?
Huh, everything you list makes me wanna watch Starfleet Academy, which tells me everything I need to know about your tastes in media.
