First Impressions

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Damian, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. EnderAKH

    EnderAKH Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    And I get that that is what they said, but why? Why functionally is beaming to a planet any different that beaming to the next room? Why does that use more power? It is the exact same process, just a shorter distance to beam the matter stream before reassembly. And short hops in and of themselves don't seem to bother a transporter, as they beamed Gillian in from right outside the ship in The Voyage Home.
     
  2. DaveyNY

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    Well, I guess the only answer that will satisfy you would be... Because.
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  3. EnderAKH

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    Yep. That is the only answer they've really given us. Doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the show, just has never made a bit of sense to me, so I enjoyed it when Discovery seemed to jettison that rule.
     
  4. DaveyNY

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    Heh...
    Perhaps They will include a classic Treknobabble just for you about it this season. <snicker>
     
  5. KennyB

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    I know all the purists can't reconcile it, but I just try to keep in mind what was futuristic in 1965 vs what is futuristic now, it has been 54 years. The 65 concepts just wouldn't really work now.......and I try to remember it IS a TV show.
     
  6. tomswift2002

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    With Gillian, Kirk beamed her to a transporter pad.

    But with site-to-site, it seems like they are over ridding safeties when the put someone in the pattern buffer and then switch from in to out.

    Also if you recall in “Relics” La Forge and Riker were surprised at what Scotty had done with the pattern buffer to keep him alive for 75 years, and then in “Our Man Bashir”, the DS9 crew had to wipe computer memory because the neural patterns of the incoming crew were too large to keep in the buffer.

    The pattern buffer sounds like RAM on a computer: if you only have 16GB and your running a program that uses 16GB plus your operating system is trying to use that 16GB as well, your systems not going to work well.
     
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  7. DaveyNY

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    I think of it like trying to thread a needle, while wearing winter mittens.
    It's possible, but extremely difficult.
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  8. Damian

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    Ok. I'm now 12 episodes in and 3 episodes into the mirror universe episode when I learned the bombshell that Lorca isn't who he said he was all along, but a mirror universe imposter. Now, Lorca always felt a bit off to me. Certain things about him did not remind me of a captain in charge of a highly experimental ship, plus he seemed a bit off from how I read him in the novel "Drastic Measures", well now I know why. It all makes sense now. As does the epilogue of Drastic Measures. Makes me wonder what the real Lorca is up to. Also I've learned about Tyler's bizarre behavior. After his bizarre encounter with the female Klingon in the brig I was beginning to think he was Voq disguised as a human, but it was much more sinister then that.

    It's also a continuation of the Enterprise episodes "In A Mirror Darkly". I wonder what the fate of the Defiant ultimately was. I figure it was probably torn down and reversed engineered, but I wonder if the ship somehow still exists.

    I am kind of surprised they spent a substantial amount of time in the Mirror universe. So far 3 and counting out of a 15 episode season. That's a huge percentage of the show spent in another universe. I'm a little surprised at that call. Also I don't understand the sensitivity to light thing. Of course it was a way to give away Lorca, but I don't recall that ever being an issue. It was just sort of dropped out of nowhere.

    It also overwrote some elements of the Mirror Universe novels, but not all. Obviously the emperor is Phillipa, and not a Hoshi clone as depicted in the novel (though she honestly didn't have a huge part in the novels that take place in the 23rd century). But other elements might track ok with the novels, the idea that an alliance was forming at this early stage for instance.

    As an aside, I did like Burnham's reaction when she realized she was 'eating' Kelpien….and I shared it too. Ugh :barf:
     
  9. Tuvix5675

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    In re-watching ep.4 I'm coming to realize Voq is a Jesus symbol or metaphor. L'Rell says Voq was T'Kuvma's hier, T'Kuvma was the Klingon messiah. Like Jesus, Voq is ridiculed, betrayed by L'Rell (Judas), abandoned and left to die on the Shenzhou where he questions his faith, kinda like Jesus felt betrayed by God on the cross. Later, Voq is reborn as Ash Tyler. So Voq dies and is resurrected from the dead. As Tyler Voq learns to love his enemy, as Jesus taught. Voq is also referred to as the Son of None, Jesus had no father.
     
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  10. Tuskin38

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    I think you’re looking a little to far into this
     
  11. DaveyNY

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    That could also somewhat apply to Spock in the movies, if one want to dive that deep into it.
     
  12. Tuvix5675

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    Not really. These metaphors are used all the time in literature and films. What I'm trying to understand is the purpose behind the use of the metaphor in this season.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    I could see that. Given the proposed foundation of Season 2 this might make more sense as it unfolds.
     
  14. Tuvix5675

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    I totally agree. TSFS is very laden with NT metaphor, Spock's resurrection, the death of Kirk's son, the Genesis weapon (well, that's more of an OT metaphor for God).
     
  15. XCV330

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    You might e on to something. Tyler will have to come to terms with the Klingon he also is, especially Voq, who was always an outsider.
     
  16. Jackson_Roykirk

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    Maybe it's like this:

    The transporter isn't sending your body from Site A directly to Site B. It is instead taking you from Site A, storing you temporarily in the transporter room equipment, then sends you from the transporter equipment to Site B. So that site-to-site requires two uses of the transporter equipment (once to receive and once to send).
     
  17. XCV330

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    New Theory.. the Transporter is a Scroller. It just rotates the universe in X-Y-Z coordinates to wherever you need to be. It's harder to do fine tuning. :D
     
  18. Jackson_Roykirk

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    In past mirror episodes from other series, did we ever see a lot of the Mirror character in the Prime Universe?

    Offhand, I can think of Mirror O'Brien who came to the Prime Universe to abduct Prime Sisko back to the Mirror Universe (DS9: Through the Looking Glass), but I can't think of other examples at the moment, other than the quick glimpses of MU Kirk et al in "Mirror, Mirror"
     
  19. Damian

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    It just seemed like a 'huh, what' moment. I guess it wasn't so much that it contradicted things (though I wonder how Terrans functioned on planets with a sun). It just seemed dropped out of the blue.
     
  20. Jackson_Roykirk

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    And of course mirror O'Brien did not show any eye discomfort -- nor would he, because the idea of MU eye sensitivity wasn't a thing when DS9 was being made.

    However, we can reconcile that with DSC that by saying "maybe O'Brien used eyedrops" or "maybe Kirk and the others did experience light sensitivity, but we only saw them for a few seconds". Obviously the makers of DS9 and TOS did NOT have those reconciliation explanations in mind, but we as fans are allowed to use those things to make all Star Trek shows consistent with each other.
     
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