First Contact incidental music

[trevanian]

LOL? If it is a classical music piece, then he isn't ripping it off from 2001. That would be like saying everyone who uses Ode to Joy in his score is ripping off the Die Hard soundtrack.

When you've got somebody sleeping in a spaceship and you use it -- which is the case in 2001 -- as Poole jogs around while Bowman and the hibernauts sleep -- and then again for the end of ALIENS -- that's pretty much ripping intent as well as exact sound. EDIT ADDON: plus when you 'quote' from 2001, you're relying on something that is pretty iconic.

Than he uses it as a contrast to the imagery in PATRIOT GAMES, but it is the same music, whether you're considering 2001 as the first film use of it or not.

Wasn't Gayane used at the end of Alien? Goldsmith composed an original cue for that scene, but Scott replaced it, and Goldsmith was forever angry about that.

I can't remember if Gayane was also used in Aliens or not.

Doug

Now that you've called me on it, I can't recall whether GAYNE is used at the start or the end of ALIENS, but it is definitely the Cameron pic, not the Scott one. I remember that there is an old Goldsmith cue from FREUD that was applied to ALIEN for the drip-through-the-floor scene, but I didn't know about Goldsmith dissatisfaction on that pic.

 

[Bones2]

This vid discusses the editing and music of Alien. Jerry Goldsmith is in it from 6:45: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhNIOJ8D_Ic&feature=related
And then from the beginning of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqLd99mPehA

 

[tharpdevenport]

A few cues, in edited forms and bits, were tracks edin from "Freud". Varese Sarabande CD Club released the (complete?) score just a month or two ago. This marks the first time it is legally avaiable. So with that, and the 2CD "Alien" from Intrada Records, the book is now closed on hte music. Have both of those, and you got all the music from the film.

 

[FormerLurker]

Just to get so far off topic as to go completely off the rails, in my experience, the single most unique score James Horner ever produced was for the film 'Krull'. And he swiped from it for years to come.

 

[trevanian]

Just to get so far off topic as to go completely off the rails, in my experience, the single most unique score James Horner ever produced was for the film 'Krull'. And he swiped from it for years to come.

My cronies and I thought KRULL's score was basically just KHAN with some voice added.

I haven't played the album in years, but I saw the movie on DVD 6 or 8 years back -- when I finally realized the actor who played Eddington on DS9 was the lead -- and my opinion remains unchanged.

Horner did come up with a nice cue in BRAINSTORM for the same year as KRULL, for Louise Fletcher's death scene. He uses it in ZORRO too, but it really works for the Fletcher scene ... it really underscores the drama and the horror and the scientific heroism of spending your dying breath proving just how dedicated a scientist you are. I suppose it might be a lift from somebody else's score, but in this one instance, I can't point to another source.

 

[Basil]

Just to get so far off topic as to go completely off the rails, in my experience, the single most unique score James Horner ever produced was for the film 'Krull'. And he swiped from it for years to come.

My cronies and I thought KRULL's score was basically just KHAN with some voice added.

I haven't played the album in years, but I saw the movie on DVD 6 or 8 years back -- when I finally realized the actor who played Eddington on DS9 was the lead -- and my opinion remains unchanged.

Horner did come up with a nice cue in BRAINSTORM for the same year as KRULL, for Louise Fletcher's death scene. He uses it in ZORRO too, but it really works for the Fletcher scene ... it really underscores the drama and the horror and the scientific heroism of spending your dying breath proving just how dedicated a scientist you are. I suppose it might be a lift from somebody else's score, but in this one instance, I can't point to another source.

Years ago, the trailer for "Darkman" used elements of Horner's "Brainstorm" score, to even greater effect than Elfman's score for the movie.

 

[Harvey]

I know they reuse most of their music in nearly all nine of the star trek films. They seem to play the music in a different beat or tune. The end credits theme for STTMP, STTFF, STFC, and STI all have different beats or tunes.

That's because all those movies used Jerry Goldsmith's music, and Jerry Goldsmith could never do anything original. It was always the same template, the "Enterprise theme" followed by a sample of the film's main title theme, followed by the "Enterprise theme" again... nothing was ever original with his scores. I'm so glad that GEN and NEM got away from using Goldsmith's stuff.

So, you're judging Goldsmith solely based upon his end title arrangements (which, I admit, all follow the same form)? That seems a bit harsh, especially since John Williams' end titles from the Star Wars films also follow a similar pattern.

And as noted previously, Goldsmith scored Star Trek: Nemesis.

 

[tharpdevenport]

BolianAdmiral, it's called a "theme" and a repraise of the theme for the end credits, and using the theme in all the movies gives it a connectivity. Do you complain about all the Star Wars films opening with John Williams' fanfare and closing with it? Do you make the same complain about Indiana Jones?

It's the equilivent of a TV show main title.

Even Rosenman and Horner had the good sense to use the opening statement of the theme, for their scores.