No, it wasn't. Hawk mentions Deck 26, but Picard said there are 24 decks. In this movie, there is a scene showing a cross section of the ship at the back of the bridge. Pause, and you can count 24 decks. The Enterprise-E has always been 24 decks. Hawk's mention of Deck 26 and NEM's mention of Deck 29 are script errors, nothing more.
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I don't know that the MSD ever shows up clearly enough in the movie for you to take a deck count, but it's been reproduced in John Eaves' TNG Movie Sketchbook, presumably various Trek-related magazines, and is floating around online as well.
And the ship has 24 decks.
And the ship has 24 decks.
Another question: The scene in FC (perhaps one of the best ever in Trek)where picard puts his rifle through the glass display after giving the flawless "The line must be drawn here" speech isnt the Conference room different? we see lilly standing on a level much higher than where Picard is with stairs going down yet with Nemesis its all one level (I think)
p.s. If you cant tell by my "subliminal" messages of praise FC (IMHO) was one if not the best of the Trek films.
p.s. If you cant tell by my "subliminal" messages of praise FC (IMHO) was one if not the best of the Trek films.
^About as subliminal as being whomped on the head with a brick. 
The conference room was reworked a bit for Nemesis. The glass display case was split in half and moved on either side of a big plasma screen and LCARS display for when Data gives his briefing about the Remans. Since that took up so much of the wall, they repositioned the doors so they'd be on the walls on either end of the room, like they were on TNG. This of course means that the doors on the bridge no longer lead directly into the conference room.
The conference room was reworked a bit for Nemesis. The glass display case was split in half and moved on either side of a big plasma screen and LCARS display for when Data gives his briefing about the Remans. Since that took up so much of the wall, they repositioned the doors so they'd be on the walls on either end of the room, like they were on TNG. This of course means that the doors on the bridge no longer lead directly into the conference room.
The torpedo systems and the yacht would simply be two different things positioned right next to each other. The launch tube could run parallel to the yacht's windshield, though that raises the question of whether making torpedoes launch through a tube with a pair of angled bends diminishes their performance.
So it would be pretty simple to say that we are seeing two completely different rooms here. The one in ST:FC is behind the bridge. The one in ST:NEM is not.
The ship must have something like two dozen conference rooms in any case, if I know my Starfleet designers...
...On the MSD. And since the Defiant MSD shows four decks on a decidedly six-deck ship, the E-E in reality has 36 decks.
The launch tube could run parallel to the yacht's windshield, though that raises the question of whether making torpedoes launch through a tube with a pair of angled bends diminishes their performance.
...Indeed, we've never seen torpedoes fired from that launcher at warp speeds. Perhaps long tubes are for warp torpedoes only, and the q-torp launcher is a deliberately sublight-only weapon?
Timo Saloniemi
Heck, Picard carries a little self-inflating portable conference room on him at all times, just in case he needs a conference to break out.
(I said, having just watched ``Disaster'' for the first time in years and being delighted to find Troi took time away from the unlit bridge set to throw her own little conference with Ro, O'Brien, and Ensign Mutely J Head-bob.)
They are the same room. Keep in mind that six years time passes between the two movies, so it's not unreasonable to think that the conference room was changed.
Since the MSD can be seen in the movie, I'll go with the MSD's deck count and disregard inaccurate deck numbers as script errors. As for the Defiant... that's a different situation, because it was featured in a TV series. Different writers might give a different deck count. Obviously this should have been caught, but it wasn't....On the MSD. And since the Defiant MSD shows four decks on a decidedly six-deck ship, the E-E in reality has 36 decks.
When torpedoes are fired at warp and leave the ship's warp field, the torpedoe has little warp engines that engage and carry it to the intended target. It has nothing to do with the torpedoe launcher.
But foward torpedo launchers firing at warp would need torpedos which can go faster than whatever the ship is cruising at. Considering not even shuttles (or most of them) are capable of going past warp 6 I doubt torpedos could be outfitted with the required technology.
Another possibility is that the torpedoe is fired within the warp field and can simply maintain this warp field without warp engines. Remember when the Ent-D saucer separated at warp in the first episode and the saucer stayed in warp? I suspect the torpedoes opperate on a similar principle.
That's all conjecture, though. For all we know, the E-D saucer always had fully functional warp engines, rather than a mere "sustainer" - she did maintain pretty high warp speed for hours at an end in "Encounter at Farpoint", after all. And for whatever reason, photorps fired from long-tube launchers are seen at warp but q-torps fired from this short-tube affair are not; the cute treknobabble excuse for that (warp is achieved with long tubes) sounds... harmless enough for me, for lack of a better word. It doesn't contradict anything, and supports the rationale Computer mentioned - torps, unlike Galaxy saucers, are pretty puny things, and their high warp capabilities should be attributed to "external assets" like badass launch tubes.
And if the conference room set in ST:NEM doesn't match the doorways of the bridge set any more, it's IMHO much easier to assume that the conference takes place somewhere else in the ship altogether. Nothing in the movie ties that set together with the bridge, after all.
Timo Saloniemi
And if the conference room set in ST:NEM doesn't match the doorways of the bridge set any more, it's IMHO much easier to assume that the conference takes place somewhere else in the ship altogether. Nothing in the movie ties that set together with the bridge, after all.
Timo Saloniemi
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To back that up, the missing end-tail of the initial conference room scene (with Worf recommending going to red alert) on the DVD reveals that there is a standard corridor outside the door. Yeah yeah not canon blah blah, but it shows that it was at least intended for a corridor to be out there.
But then I suppose you could say the corridor merely leads to the original doors on the bridge, so who knows?
To back that up, the missing end-tail of the initial conference room scene (with Worf recommending going to red alert) on the DVD reveals that there is a standard corridor outside the door. Yeah yeah not canon blah blah, but it shows that it was at least intended for a corridor to be out there.
But then I suppose you could say the corridor merely leads to the original doors on the bridge, so who knows?
That's a very workable layout. However, I don't quite get why people always place the airlock next to the bridge... ST:FC gives no real indication that it would be there, and certainly the exterior of the vessel is at odds with such a placement.
The Borg at that point control the ship only up to Deck 11. The airlock would far more logically be placed on (what looks like) Deck 3 which has suitable round openings astern.
Okay, so perhaps the pocket doors in that corner of the bridge have the text "AIRLOCK" in unreadable font. But that should just be the doors to Picard's very own private corridor to the aft end of Deck 3.
Timo Saloniemi
The Borg at that point control the ship only up to Deck 11. The airlock would far more logically be placed on (what looks like) Deck 3 which has suitable round openings astern.
Okay, so perhaps the pocket doors in that corner of the bridge have the text "AIRLOCK" in unreadable font. But that should just be the doors to Picard's very own private corridor to the aft end of Deck 3.
Timo Saloniemi
Conjecture is all we have to go by.
Show me where they are, please.
It's been established that when an object exits a warp field, it immediately drops out of warp. Star Trek has established warp drive in such a way that it would be impossible for a torpedo launcher to accelerate a torpedo to warp drive. The torpedo itself must have it's own warp field. Now, this means one of two things. Either the torpedo has warp engines or warp sustainers like the Ent-D's saucer section. I would say it's not unreasonable for a torpedo to travel at warp speed given that Worf's Season 2 Klingon ambassador girlfriend met up with the Enterprise in a warp-capable torpedo casing.
By your logic, the Enterprise-A has three bridges.
Given that it's the same set featured in First Contact, the average joe is going to assume it's the same room, because it is intended to be the same room.
Timo, you're a nice guy and very imaginative, but sometimes I really think you need to start shaving with Occam® brand razors.
Given the changes to Picard's ready room between Insurrection and Nemesis -- namely the addition of another door, the elimination of the window, and rotating the layout of the desk, the bookshelf behind, and the two doors flanking it by roughly 90° -- the simpler explanation is that sometime between those movies, they got a new bridge module, which included a conference room that was no longer directly accessible from the doors on the back wall of the bridge.
Given the changes to Picard's ready room between Insurrection and Nemesis -- namely the addition of another door, the elimination of the window, and rotating the layout of the desk, the bookshelf behind, and the two doors flanking it by roughly 90° -- the simpler explanation is that sometime between those movies, they got a new bridge module, which included a conference room that was no longer directly accessible from the doors on the back wall of the bridge.
Why does the bridge module have to have been replaced? They could have had a major refit, as suggested by John Eaves. It's not that hard to tear down a few walls and rebuild them differently to accomdate new equipment. 
Because why tear down walls and remodel when the thing is plug-and-play to begin with? Or are you forgetting your TNG Tech Manual?
I'm thinking in terms of practicallity. It costs less resources to tear out and rebuild a few walls than to replace the entire deck.
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