I don't even know who Taylor Lautner is?
He played a Native American werewolf in the Twilight movies.
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Ah. Thanks. Saw the first one with the wife, can't say I even remember there being a werewolf in it.
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Ah. Thanks. Saw the first one with the wife, can't say I even remember there being a werewolf in it.
The show sunk because it followed DS9 and Voyager, which also sunk.
I'm straight and I didn't think Blalock was attractive at all. Her catsuit looked ridiculous and she walked like she had a pole up her ass.
Yes, that's why it sunk as far as ratings went. But it sunk even more with the actual Trekkie viewing population because its producers had the mentality of a college fratboy.
Silicone can only do so much....
To some extent it was just diminishing returns on a formula, especially with ENT and VOY. But I hate to take anything away from specific terrible decisions like the Torres-Paris romance arc in VOY or "A Night in Sickbay" in ENT.
BillJ said:
I find it striking that you look at Blalock and Ryan and conclude that Ryan is the one who lacked acting talent.
You're got mirror-universe cred for days.I think Blalock and Ryan were about equal in terms of talent, though I did find T'Pol to be a more likable character overall (certainly not in every episode).
I'm no fan of Voyager but I certainly wouldn't single out the Torres/Paris romance as one of its worst qualities. Trek never excelled in the romance department. I probably disliked Torres/Paris less than Chakotay/Seven or Troi/Worf.
"A Night in Sickbay" is god-awful but no worse than "Profit and Lace", "Sub Rosa", "Threshold", etc.
I'm no fan of Voyager but I certainly wouldn't single out the Torres/Paris romance as one of its worst qualities. Trek never excelled in the romance department. I probably disliked Torres/Paris less than Chakotay/Seven or Troi/Worf.
"A Night in Sickbay" is god-awful but no worse than "Profit and Lace", "Sub Rosa", "Threshold", etc.
I find it striking that you look at Blalock and Ryan and conclude that Ryan is the one who lacked acting talent.
It's all relative and through the lens of Star Trek. I thought Blalock gave the better performance as T'Pol than Ryan did as Seven.
I've seen very little of either outside of their Trek roles.
Better?
Oddly I think Torres/Paris was one of the Trek relationships that actually seemed natural. So did Jadzia/Worf. Beyond that they nearly all seemed awkward in some way, incredibly forced. Star Trek is quite a boarded up, takes-itself-too-seriously, show, and romance, especially long term romance between main cast members, doesn't work brilliantly.
Goji said:
I think it was more comparable to Kira/Odo or Dax/Worf in that it wasn't just a random "ship" but a long-term arc that we were subjected to over countless episodes. DS9's romantic arcs were a touch annoying, too... but at least their constituent characters were reasonably interesting and likeable. Torres-Paris kind of didn't have that charm going for it, at least not for me.
Well, it was worse in one measurable sense. That episode was what sent ENT into its final ratings death spiral in a way no other bad episode of Trek ever managed on its own.
(It didn't help that the series was starting from a massive deficit.)I thought Moore's BSG had the right attitude toward relationships on an action skiffy show. Given the setting they were always going to be there... but they were mostly a backdrop to the action, not a weekly B-plot where we're expected to be hanging on the edge of our seats wondering if B'Elanna can get over her trust issues for the fifth time in a season or whether Tom Paris is sleeping on the space-couch again.
Well, fair point. Actually thinking back on it, relationships were a lot more central to the action on that show than I was remembering, although some of them were legitimately cool (like Balter's hallucinatory Number Six). So no, not a good example. But I think on balance it would be a good way to treat relationships on a show like that.
I find it striking that you look at Blalock and Ryan and conclude that Ryan is the one who lacked acting talent.
It's the role. I don't think Blalock is a great actress but she was perfect as T'Pol. She pulled off subtle Vulcan humour and I loved that. I thought she was way more entertaining than, say, Tuvok.
All this Tuvok hate... Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.
First actor (as a series regular) to portray a 100% Vulcan - and Tim Russ did it with dignity, sensitivity, and authenticity. Tuvok was the best full Vulcan ever portrayed on Star Trek.
First actor (as a series regular) to portray a 100% Vulcan - and Tim Russ did it with dignity, sensitivity, and authenticity. Tuvok was the best full Vulcan ever portrayed on Star Trek.
It's like you're comparing ways of contracting AIDS.
cultcross said:
Agreed.
Preach it, brother.
{ Emilia } said:
I always felt like ENT had this fundamental misconception that Vulcans were just really repressed and passive-aggressive humans -- they eventually had to make a whole episode "explaining" this tendency -- and Blalock was symptomatic of that, or at least seemed to be trying to go for that, but mostly just seemed to totally lack any presence. (Ryan's Seven-of-Nine, originally a similar case of stunt casting for bust size, ironically became much the kind of character Blalock tried to do, a lid of propriety and efficiency over a cauldron of emotion. I thought Ryan really sold that.)
Thank you for articulating that thought. Blalock regularly delivered her lines in such a way that it gave the impression she was suffering from intense stress - or was constipated.
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
It's funny how the stuff works so differently for different people.
I thought Enterprise's take on Vulcans was actually refreshing and not as boring as VOY's. Tuvok just bored the Kim out of me.Similar threads
