Field Medic

[exodus]

For the record, in Before and After it's stated that Kes always accepted that she'd only live 9 years...so if Kes doesn't want to live longer, that's the ballgame as far as I'm concerned. Now back to our regularly scheduled debate:

Field Medics!

Amen!
Kes never once ever asked for her life to be extented be it from Suspria or the Doc., combined with the fact the Doc discontinued his efforts is finding a way to extented her life means the writers weren't going to do it.

 

[Lynx]

For the record, in Before and After it's stated that Kes always accepted that she'd only live 9 years...so if Kes doesn't want to live longer, that's the ballgame as far as I'm concerned. Now back to our regularly scheduled debate:

Field Medics!

Most of the events in "Before And After" were dismissed by the episode "Year Of Hell" and I've often seen comments about that when I criticize the obvious flaws in the re-written "Year Of Hell". Now, all of a sudden the events in "Before And After" are suddenly very relevant.

Not to mention that a few words in an episode in which most of the content took place in a future which never happened doesn't mean that much. The possibility to prolong Kes's lifespan were pointed out in "Cold Fire".

And don't forget that it took The Doctor a couple of weeks to solve the problem how to separate Tuvok and Neelix in "Tuvix" so a solution to prolong Kes's lifespan could have been just around the corner as well.

OK, now back to the obvious flaw in making poor Tom a field medic.

 

[exodus]

For the record, in Before and After it's stated that Kes always accepted that she'd only live 9 years...so if Kes doesn't want to live longer, that's the ballgame as far as I'm concerned. Now back to our regularly scheduled debate:

Field Medics!

Most of the events in "Before And After" were dismissed by the episode "Year Of Hell" and I've often seen comments about that when I criticize the obvious flaws in the re-written "Year Of Hell". Now, all of a sudden the events in "Before And After" are suddenly very relevant.

Not to mention that a few words in an episode in which most of the content took place in a future which never happened doesn't mean that much. The possibility to prolong Kes's lifespan were pointed out in "Cold Fire".

The events of "YOH" is a complete different subject & issue than Kes' accepting and not wanting to live beyond 9 years old. The events in "B&A" didn't change Kes' personality or her mindset. The fact the Doc. stopped his attemps at pro-longing her life shows they had that talk and he accepted her choice.

Once again, the events in "Coldfire" and extending Ocampian life was clearly stated that such was done through technology created by Susperia. Seeing as how Voyager & Kes made an enemy of Susperia & those Ocampia, it's highly unlikely they'd help her now.

 

[Lynx]

Still, the events in "Before And After" took place in an alternate future which means that the actions of all parts in the ongoing reality could be somewhat different.

Besides that, it wasn't "Voyager & Kes" who made an enemy of Suspiria and the Ocampa on her array, it was the other way around. Plus the fact that their technique could be used by others, like The Doctor as well. Not to mention that a situation could occur where Suspiria would provide the technology to give Kes a prolonged lifespan.

Or Q could do it or some other unknown species might come up with the technology.

There are many possibilities, it's just a question of will, skill and inspiration.

 

[JB2005]

The events are yes. But this wasn't an event it was a statement "My mother has always accepted she'll live only 9 years..."

As a point of comparison. If aliens landed tomorrow and we were told the average lifespan in the galaxy is 1000 years, should we then use technology to augment our own lifespans?

 

[exodus]

Still, the events in "Before And After" took place in an alternate future which means that the actions of all parts in the ongoing reality could be somewhat different.

Besides that, it wasn't "Voyager & Kes" who made an enemy of Suspiria and the Ocampa on her array, it was the other way around. Plus the fact that their technique could be used by others, like The Doctor as well. Not to mention that a situation could occur where Suspiria would provide the technology to give Kes a prolonged lifespan.

Or Q could do it or some other unknown species might come up with the technology.

There are many possibilities, it's just a question of will, skill and inspiration.

Only thing that trumps that is: the writers didn't want too.
If they had, it would have happened.

 

[Lynx]

We don't know what the writers originally planned for the character since they all of a sudden decided to drop the character, a decision taken between seasons 3 and 4.

What we do know is that the character was dumped in the second episode of season 4, then brought back, humiliated and destroyed in season 6.

However, there was a possibility to give Kes a prolonged lifespan and since they didn't seem to want to go along with the aging thing, a prolonging of her lifespan could have happened in the series.

Honestly, it would have been better if the character had had a more realistic lifespan from the start. A species with such a short lifespan could never develope into more than primates. Not to mention the "one-child syndrome".

 

[exodus]

A species with such a short lifespan could never develope into more than primates. Not to mention the "one-child syndrome".

I guess by that admission it just shows she was a poorly planned out character from the start, which is probably why TBTB gave up on her.

 

[Lynx]

A species with such a short lifespan could never develope into more than primates. Not to mention the "one-child syndrome".

I guess by that admission it just shows she was a poorly planned out character from the start, which is probably why TBTB gave up on her.

Well, Kes doesn't seem to be your favorite, does she?

And it wasn't the character which was "poorly planned out", it was just the lifespan and the one-child syndrome.

Not to mention that no character in any series is that bad that it can't be fixed by those who created the character or those who are paid to write about the character. Just look at Harry Kim, in the season 1-3 Voyager books he's actually doing something. He's much better in the books than in the series, even if he has a bad habit in the books to be badly injured now and then.

 

[Lynx]

The events are yes. But this wasn't an event it was a statement "My mother has always accepted she'll live only 9 years..."

As a point of comparison. If aliens landed tomorrow and we were told the average lifespan in the galaxy is 1000 years, should we then use technology to augment our own lifespans?

That statement was from Linnis, a character who existed in an alternate future which never happened. It can't be relevant in this case.

As for the comparision, why not? I'm sure that if every human got a chance to live 1000 years, most of them would take that chance. Especially those who like to explore, learn and experience new challenges.

 

[exodus]

Well, Kes doesn't seem to be your favorite, does she?

Is that a requirement to discuss the character?

And it wasn't the character which was "poorly planned out", it was just the lifespan and the one-child syndrome.

Those are important aspects to the character and her species.
If there's a serious flaw, the those that created her didn't fully think it through.
That's poor planning. It happens.

Not to mention that no character in any series is that bad that it can't be fixed by those who created the character or those who are paid to write about the character.

I can see "the writers didn't want to" isn't and never will sink in. The fact they openly admitted to it trumps anything you wish to fabricate or speculate. As JB2005 correctly and humorously said, that's the ballgame for me.

 

[Lynx]

Well, Kes doesn't seem to be your favorite, does she?

Is that a requirement to discuss the character?

No, it's just a matter of fact.

As for the writers, in my opinion they did a bad job if they claim that they didn't want to write for the character. In that case they should have been fired for simply not doing what they were paid for.

But they had no problems in bringing back the character-just to destroy her.

As for the "official statements" they made right after "the changes in season 4", I must say that I do find them rather stereotype and without substance.

 

[exodus]

^^I wish money would rain from the sky but I understand the logical reasons why it doesn't.