I liked Voyager alot (my 2nd favorite trek series next to TNG)...because of the storyline, many great episodes there and there, a really good cast.
Fans, why do you like VOY?
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So the choice the EMH made to leave Voyager to become a singer and leaving them with no doctor isn't the same thing? Outside the fact that he left them this time for a civil rights issue after he felt he and his kind were dismissed by Janeway that is.
Frankly IMO, I don't find it out of character at all. I empathize with him and complete understand why he did what he did, especially after he was influenced by the scenario he was shown about how the Hirogen treated what he saw as his people. He spoke to Janeway and felt she turned his back on him, so he turned his back on her to help what he saw as a greater cause. Janeway does that all the time, Equinox, Year of Hell, Scorpion? Could she punish him when she lead by example?
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I didn't buy that either, and I don't think the writers should base Shmully's character off of boring and stupid episodes like that. When an episode is bad it deserves to be ignored, that's why we never heard about the warp 10 drive after Threshold and Spock never again mentioned the time his brain was stolen by bimbos in go-go boots.
Shmully deciding the leave Voyager in that episode was stupid, it deserved to be forgotten.
They didn't, they based it off his desire for civil rights. Which was a big part of his theme since day one. IMO I also don't find it stupid that a being who couldn't leave the one room he was confined most of his existance, wishes to explore the world beyond his front door and what it holds for him. Too me it's an empty existance to explore space but still have no clue as to who you really are.
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Voyager isn't my favorite ST series, but it certainly had its moments. I actually thought the post-"Scorpion" seasons were stronger than the pre-"Scorpion" seasons. Then again, the Doctor was my favorite character on the show, so I guess that's no surprise.
I generally liked the cast. My least favorite character was Chakotay, who seemed like he was only there to sit next to Janeway and star in the occasional blech episode. I actually kind of liked Harry, and thought he got kind of a raw deal (not one single promotion in seven years?
) I really enjoyed the friendship between him and Tom Paris.
I really liked the ship. It's probably up there on my list of favorite designs. Very classic, very elegant look.
I generally liked the cast. My least favorite character was Chakotay, who seemed like he was only there to sit next to Janeway and star in the occasional blech episode. I actually kind of liked Harry, and thought he got kind of a raw deal (not one single promotion in seven years?
) I really enjoyed the friendship between him and Tom Paris.I really liked the ship. It's probably up there on my list of favorite designs. Very classic, very elegant look.
Okay, this will be hard for me, but I'm going to try. VOY was never one of my favorites but I must admit that it was all terrible. Here are some of the things that I enjoyed:
1. FX. I thought the production values were top notch.
2. Some of the characters. Doctor and Seven were pretty well developed and I enjoyed their interactions with the crew for the most part because they provided some nice internal tension that was lacking after the first season or so. I wanted to like Torres, Chakotay, and Tuvok, but I can't say that I really did. There were times when they were tolerable. I more like the idea of these characters than their execution. Paris was okay, but I probably would've liked him better if they made him Locarno. Neelix was annoying. Kes and Kim were too bland. I never got a real feel for Janeway. I enjoyed her in the novel Full Circle more than on any VOY show I watched.
3. Villains. VOY had some good bad guys. Loved Seska. I also liked the Vidiians (one of the more macabre species in Trek), Hirogen, Species 8472, Vaadwaur, and the Voth. The Malon weren't all that impressive per se but they allowed the VOY writers to talk about pollution which was cool. I also thought the Hierarchy and the Think Tank had potential.
4. Some episodes: State of Flux, Unity, Timeless, Scorpion, Dark Frontier, The Killing Time, Flesh and Blood, Unimatrix One, The Year of Hell, Equinox, Dragon's Teeth, etc. Overall, I didn't like show I watched it because I'm a Trek junkie. Every now and then there was an episode that grabbed my attention and ranked right up there with my favorites shows from DS9 or TNG.
1. FX. I thought the production values were top notch.
2. Some of the characters. Doctor and Seven were pretty well developed and I enjoyed their interactions with the crew for the most part because they provided some nice internal tension that was lacking after the first season or so. I wanted to like Torres, Chakotay, and Tuvok, but I can't say that I really did. There were times when they were tolerable. I more like the idea of these characters than their execution. Paris was okay, but I probably would've liked him better if they made him Locarno. Neelix was annoying. Kes and Kim were too bland. I never got a real feel for Janeway. I enjoyed her in the novel Full Circle more than on any VOY show I watched.
3. Villains. VOY had some good bad guys. Loved Seska. I also liked the Vidiians (one of the more macabre species in Trek), Hirogen, Species 8472, Vaadwaur, and the Voth. The Malon weren't all that impressive per se but they allowed the VOY writers to talk about pollution which was cool. I also thought the Hierarchy and the Think Tank had potential.
4. Some episodes: State of Flux, Unity, Timeless, Scorpion, Dark Frontier, The Killing Time, Flesh and Blood, Unimatrix One, The Year of Hell, Equinox, Dragon's Teeth, etc. Overall, I didn't like show I watched it because I'm a Trek junkie. Every now and then there was an episode that grabbed my attention and ranked right up there with my favorites shows from DS9 or TNG.
First, let me just say I love the entire Star Trek franchise. With that said, Voyager is my least favorite Star Trek spin-off show. Janeyway was a little too cocky and full of herself. She did everything by the book and had no flexible as a commanding officer. It was either her way or the highway. The main reason Voyager is my least Trek show, is that Janeway never took any advantage or opportunity, to get her people back to the Alpha Quadrant. How many times did Q appear on the show and not once did she ask Q for help. It was perfectly all right for the Voyager crew to save the Q Continuum on several occasions. The Continuum could not lift one finger to send Voyager home. I just have a hard time believing that the Continuum is that self center or frankly does not give a damn about the Voyager crew. I know if Kirk was stuck in the Delta Quadrant, he would have found a way to get his ship and people back home. Hell, even Picard and Sisko would have found a way. I 'm not saying that Kirk and company should break Starfleet regulations, but all rules can be bent or sometimes completely ignored, when it comes to people lives.
Second, I just feel that Voyager did not show the proper respect to the TOS Series. Case in point, I have a problem with two Voyager episodes. They are Flashback and Future's End. Let me deal with Future's End. Why is it when the Voyager crew went back to the year 1996 that no mention of the Eugenics War had happen. The Eugenics War was a major global conflict that resulted in 30 million people dying in this war. No mention whatsoever. The Voyager crew did not even bat an eye. This war has been mention in DS9, Enterprise, TOS, and Star Trek II. Is it because that the writers are not familiar with the Star Trek Cannon, or did not watch, care about TOS, or the previous movies from the 1980's.
Finally, Flashback is a great episode, until the last two minutes of the show. When Janeway makes a very smart remark about the TOS characters. That they would have been kick out of Starfleet for bending or breaking Starfleet rules and regulations. That may be true to a degree, but the male captains care more about their crews than Starfleet rules. I know rules in Starfleet are important, but they are a set of guidelines to follow. It just seems to me that the Voyager crew has a hard time understand this philology about rules and regulations. To me TOS will always be the best Trek ever.
Second, I just feel that Voyager did not show the proper respect to the TOS Series. Case in point, I have a problem with two Voyager episodes. They are Flashback and Future's End. Let me deal with Future's End. Why is it when the Voyager crew went back to the year 1996 that no mention of the Eugenics War had happen. The Eugenics War was a major global conflict that resulted in 30 million people dying in this war. No mention whatsoever. The Voyager crew did not even bat an eye. This war has been mention in DS9, Enterprise, TOS, and Star Trek II. Is it because that the writers are not familiar with the Star Trek Cannon, or did not watch, care about TOS, or the previous movies from the 1980's.
Finally, Flashback is a great episode, until the last two minutes of the show. When Janeway makes a very smart remark about the TOS characters. That they would have been kick out of Starfleet for bending or breaking Starfleet rules and regulations. That may be true to a degree, but the male captains care more about their crews than Starfleet rules. I know rules in Starfleet are important, but they are a set of guidelines to follow. It just seems to me that the Voyager crew has a hard time understand this philology about rules and regulations. To me TOS will always be the best Trek ever.
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SEVEN OF NINE!!!!! 
Well, I also found the Doctor and B'Elanna to be quite enjoyable characters, with some really cool storylines, e.g. Tinker, Tailor, Doctor, Spy, Barge of the Dead, etc. And I always enjoyed it when Q turned up on Voyager; I loved his interactions with Janeway.
Well, I also found the Doctor and B'Elanna to be quite enjoyable characters, with some really cool storylines, e.g. Tinker, Tailor, Doctor, Spy, Barge of the Dead, etc. And I always enjoyed it when Q turned up on Voyager; I loved his interactions with Janeway.
*raises hand - lost* I was looking for the "What do you LIKE about Voyager?" thread . . . . there is an "All love to TOS" forum just over the way . . . .
I'm a huge TOS fan and I thought that Janeway's comment was meant to be complementary. Sure, Starfleet had changed since the days of Kirk but tha didn't mean she wouldn't have loved the chance to "ride shotgun" with that crew. In fact, I've always thought an adventure featuring both Kirk and Janeway would be awesome.
As for your comment on the "male captains" caring more about their crews do you believe it's because of their gender? At any rate I would have to disagree. Janeway cared about her crew to the point where she would have sacrificed herself for their well-being (Omega Directive being one example) so I'm not sure how anyone can make that claim.
Besides, isn't this supposed to be a thread about what you LIKE about Voyager?
That why I find Voyager to be very good Trek.
I'm a huge TOS fan and I thought that Janeway's comment was meant to be complementary. Sure, Starfleet had changed since the days of Kirk but tha didn't mean she wouldn't have loved the chance to "ride shotgun" with that crew. In fact, I've always thought an adventure featuring both Kirk and Janeway would be awesome.
Janeway is the closest Captain in attitude and adventure to Kirk we've seen so far. While Janeway was a little more morally grounded, she bent rules like Kirk because that's what it takes to endure the "wilderness" of space. Much of Kirk's space the Alpha Quad. just like Janeway was unexplored while help in dangerous situations was no guarantee.
I liked the character development.
The thing that was superior story wise about Voyager was that the A plot was almost always based on space/jeopardy with the B plot being personal boring stuff like romance. TNG had so many episodes where the B plot, the personal plot was what the episode was about. I site Troy's mother naked in a mudbath with Warf's 10 year old son. I mean how-? Anyway. Course TNG had much stronger characters. But on the hole, when you tune into Voyager, chances are it will be an action plot and not a soap in space.
Anyway. Course TNG had much stronger characters. But on the hole, when you tune into Voyager, chances are it will be an action plot and not a soap in space.
Or neither? Romance was the A-Plot in DS9...
That why I find Voyager to be very good Trek.
I'm a huge TOS fan and I thought that Janeway's comment was meant to be complementary. Sure, Starfleet had changed since the days of Kirk but that didn't mean she wouldn't have loved the chance to "ride shotgun" with that crew. In fact, I've always thought an adventure featuring both Kirk and Janeway would be awesome.
Janeway is the closest Captain in attitude and adventure to Kirk we've seen so far. While Janeway was a little more morally grounded, she bent rules like Kirk because that's what it takes to endure the "wilderness" of space. Much of Kirk's space the Alpha Quad. just like Janeway was unexplored while help in dangerous situations was no guarantee.
If Janeway bent the rules as Kirk did in TOS, than why did it take Janeway seven years to get her ship and crew back home? I have to disagree with you on the fact that Janeway is the closest thing in attitude or even personality to Kirk. I would have thought that Riker and Sisko are the closest Captains in attitude and personality to Kirk, than Janeway. According to Gene Roddenberry, Riker is the closest in attitude and personality, than any other captain in the 24'th century. Besides, Kirk was famous for using cowboy diplomacy during his five year mission in space. I don't see Janeway using the same cowboy diplomacy as Kirk. Granted, most of the time you must use diplomacy to resolve conflicts in the world, but if talking doesn't do any good. What then? You should go in with guns blazing. Case in point, North Korea and Iran. The U.S.A. has been talking to these two countries about nuclear disarmament for almost two decades now, enough talk. Lets see a little more action and a lot less talking. If only Kirk was a real person. Oh, well!
If Kirk was a real person then he would have been court-martialed and dishonourably discharged from Starfleet for causing the deaths of millions of people in a pointless war by arming them with weapons they cannot understand (A Private Little War).
I like Kirk, but he was a piss-poor captain.
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Gene Roddenberry was dead before Janeway was created and before Riker became a captain.
How many years would it have taken Kirk? While we're at it how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
It depends on the sort of dance. For example, if they are just dancing as one might in a club then they can all be pressed close together, but they need more room if they are doing a riverdance style performance. I did some rudimentary calculations 3 years ago and determined that anywhere between 8 to 43 angels can dance on your average pinhead, with wind-speed and direction being a major factor. When I showed my calculations to my mathematics professor he gave them a once-over and failed to dispute my findings, which I choose to believe was a validation of my work.
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