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Fall Anime 2010

Well, after watching works from Gainax over the years I've noticed a consistent pattern of theirs to have lazy rubbish endings or otherwise conclusions that get on my nerves for pretty much everything they produce. They can be pretty good series but they always seem to do something to screw up the show at the end and disappoint or frustrate me. For instance Neon Genesis Evangelion and His and Her Circumstances with their "Whoops we ran out of ink and can't animate anything anymore" endings being the worst of the offenders the rest suffer mostly from non-endings or contradictory endings which don't seem to match the show. I have dubbed this phenomenon getting "Gain-Axed".
I'm not much of an anime viewer, but my understanding , in the case of of both shows that those structural problems had more to do with their director Hideaki Anno than anything related to Gainax as was another Anno produced cartoon, Gunbuster which suffered similar production-quality problems.

The only two I can't say much against are Corpse Princess and Gurren Lagann.
Corpse Princess was not done by Gainax, the only thing they did was the opening.
 
Well, this says otherwise crediting them with animation production. :confused:

If that's true though, eliminating it from the short list would only make the list shorter and strengthen my point though making GL the only good Gainax series. ;)

The last Gainax thing I watched was Hanamaru Kindergarten from a couple of seasons ago and I thought that was pretty fun. I'm expecting the same thing from Panty and Stocking.

Also, Evangelion had a great ending! :lol:
Personally, thus far the latest Rebuild of Evangelion movies are totally trumping the previous incarnations. I'm enjoying those a lot more, them being more streamlined, and blessed with bigger budgets.

I dropped Hanamaru Kindergarten due to it totally creeping me out with the lolicon stuff so I can't speak for it's level of Gain-Axing. Yeah, I know it was supposed to be cute and funny.....but it just wasn't. :shifty:
 
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There really wasn't any lolicon stuff though. :lol:

I also don't see a problem with the ending of Evangelion, other than maybe too much exposition. But I guess I like my SF to be weird. :p
 
I also don't see a problem with the ending of Evangelion, other than maybe too much exposition. But I guess I like my SF to be weird. :p

Well I had a problem with how it
just dropped the whole world-in-crisis-humanity-is-totally-screwed-now-we're-all-doomed plot in favor of badly animated psychological exploration of Shinji's screwed up head.
Not that it wasn't interesting just that there were more important things they should be doing in addition to that. The Death and Rebirth and End of Evangelion movies fixes this a bit. However, the Rebuild movies are more like what I wanted to see though technically....
the second movie heavily implies that it's actually a sequel instead of a redo.
 
That's the thing though, I don't think it was important to see what was happening in the outside world. It was all about the deconstruction of the myth cycle and of identity - which is why I enjoyed Shinji's reluctant hero act (even when he goes through it twice). Heroes in these stories are often "the chosen one" and their only purpose is to "fulfill their destiny", but these are just platonic phrases that are ultimately meaningless. Shinji as "saviour of humanity" is just the same as Shinji as "school boy".

I felt like End of Evangelion just went too literal by showing exactly what happens to everyone and to Shinji, although the beginning and ending are brutally awesome.
 
So armageddon is less important to you than what's going on in the mind of whinny teen with daddy issues? Can't agree there, but suit yourself. :confused:

Regardless, a better show would have concluded all it's story elements.
 
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The plot was merely a vehicle for Shinji's journey through the myth cycle though. Unlike all the other heroes who just accept their place in the cycle (Luke Skywalker just gets dumped into being a Jedi and doesn't for a moment think of an alternative), Shinji wants an identity that isn't given to him by his father or by "fate".

I mean, the whole thing was about Shinji asserting that he just wanted to be himself, which is why he's able to break free - both at the end of Evangelion proper and in the End of Evangelion movie.
 
The plot was merely a vehicle for Shinji's journey through the myth cycle though. Unlike all the other heroes who just accept their place in the cycle (Luke Skywalker just gets dumped into being a Jedi and doesn't for a moment think of an alternative), Shinji wants an identity that isn't given to him by his father or by "fate".

I mean, the whole thing was about Shinji asserting that he just wanted to be himself, which is why he's able to break free - both at the end of Evangelion proper and in the End of Evangelion movie.

And I reiterate:

Regardless, a better show would have concluded both story elements. Which is why RahXephon will always be superior in terms of the mecha sub-genre they belong to. It's proof that both can be done to my standard of perfection.
 
Regardless, a better show would have concluded both story elements. Which is why RahXephon will always be superior in terms of the mecha sub-genre they belong to. It's proof that both can be done to my standard of perfection.

A different show, absolutely. Better? Debatable.

Personally, I think the Evangelion TV series (without End of Evangelion) does resolve the story elements to a satisfying degree given the nature of the show. Glimpses of the plot are flashed during the last two episodes and the overarching plot rolls on with the affect of that dominating those same last two episodes especially in regard to its characters and the protagonist--the true heart of the show.

I like the Rebuild movies, but in a lot of ways they lack the heart by diminishing the characters and focusing on the plot. They look fantastic and make terrific eye candy, but the rest comes off a bit shallow without the time you can devote to the characters like in the show. I'm hopeful for the next two movies, but don't see them succeeding where I would like them to.

But, different strokes, I suppose.

In contrast, I think RahXephon is bland and uninteresting across the board even with it borrowing heavily from Evangelion in many ways.
 
Technically they both borrowed from Space Runaway Ideon. You're free to have a preference on which rip-off you kike better though just as I am.
 
Technically they both borrowed from Space Runaway Ideon.

Well, yes and no. Many plot elements from Evangelion come from Space Runaway Ideon... Like I said though, the plot of Evangelion isn't what makes it special.

When I say RahXephon borrowed heavily from Evangelion I meant more character types and their combinations. A lot of the main cast of RahXephon has direct parallels with Evangelion to the point where it's embarrassing.

I haven't seen RahXephon in years, so I can't go in depth... But, I think what I'm saying is readily apparent.
 
Technically they both borrowed from Space Runaway Ideon.

Well, yes and no. Many plot elements from Evangelion come from Space Runaway Ideon... Like I said though, the plot of Evangelion isn't what makes it special.

When I say RahXephon borrowed heavily from Evangelion I meant more character types and their combinations. A lot of the main cast of RahXephon has direct parallels with Evangelion to the point where it's embarrassing.

I haven't seen RahXephon in years, so I can't go in depth... But, I think what I'm saying is readily apparent.

Well, I think that it took a flawed concept and fixed a lot of little things I felt were wrong with it. For instance the most marked improvement is the addition of an actual romance which is something Evangelion skirted around but never got into. This sub plot is the main reason why I was more interested in it. Ayato was also more stable and far less whiny than Shinji. In addition you don't really need supplementary materials to understand RahXephon. It dots it's i's and crosses it's own t's within the series itself. It managed to be complex without being as confusing.
 
Well, I think that it took a flawed concept and fixed a lot of little things I felt were wrong with it.

Yeah, you said that. And I think it took an interesting concept with great characters and made it bland.

For instance the most marked improvement is the addition of an actual romance which is something Evangelion skirted around but never got into. This sub plot is the main reason why I was more interested in it.

The romance between Shinji and Asuka is what it needs to be. If it were more then its subtly and rhythm would have been thrown out the window. The whole point of their romance is to show two people who are interested in each other yet miss their connection or are unable to connect in the first place. The frustration and tension is crucial for the various breakdowns to build up.

Ayato was also more stable and far less whiny than Shinji.

Definitely less whiny. But, still obviously a replacement Shinji character when I watched it. It's been too long for me to cite any specifics, but that was my reading back then. Maybe I'm wrong.

Shinji being as whiny, helpless, and at times infuriating is what separates him from the normal slew of young, disaffected protagonists in mecha shows. Otherwise he's relatively forgettable as a character type, especially since its become so common to use it post-Evangelion.

I should clarify that I'm not saying Evangelion created the character type. But, it did popularize that sort of reluctant/unwilling (appropriate descriptors are escaping me here) hero type, especially in mecha.

In addition you don't really need supplementary materials to understand RahXephon. It dots it's i's and crosses it's own t's within the series itself. It managed to be complex without being as confusing.

The important answers to the plot are in Evangelion itself. Sure, there are tons of minutia in the universe that people get distracted by and go all out fanboy about trying to find/create the answers. Those otaku types are the reason so much supplementary material exists, to please those who obsess over details and pointless plot, mecha, and setting details. Those exist in lots of franchises.

What are some of the things you feel are only understandable through supplementary material? And how important do you think those are to the show?

And the most important part of Evangelion, the emotional journey (most apparent in Shinji's character), is there when you watch the show. You don't need anything additional to understand it if you pay attention to what's happening.


Personally, I didn't think RahXephon was all that intriguing in the first place, complex or not. In a lot of ways, I think I consider it the safer, more straightforward and run-of-the-mill version of Evangelion.

Lots of people disagree.
 
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I feel like we just stepped back into the 90s! I'll just say I found the Evangelion ending to be very satisfying thematically, which is what I wanted most from the show when I watched it.
Also, Rei vs Asuka, go! (Misato is the correct answer). :lol:

Back on topic for a moment, I'll just say that Squid Girl may be my favourite show of the season. It's really cute and funny.
 
What are some of the things you feel are only understandable through supplementary material? And how important do you think those are to the show?
Most of what I had complaints about were fixed in Death and Rebirth and End of Evangelion showing what was going on with 2nd(3rd?) impact. Though that doesn't do much to improve my opinion of the series which was a separate entity and didn't do that. I think there were some other unresolved things, however, just like you think RahXephon is bland I feel the same about Evangelion think it's one of the most over-rated titles in the history of anime and don't break out the collection too often.

I'll think about it and get back to you if I remember some stuff, but for now I leave you with this, not because it really pertains but because it's hilarious:

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I would just like to thank you peeps for bringing up Evangelion. I've had the dvds sitting on my shelf for the last 2 years and completely forgot about it. Time to finally watch!
 
Umm....you're welcome I guess.

Started watching The World God Only Know. This seems like it will be a fun fluff show good for some laughs.
 
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