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[Yistaan]

The context of his statement coincides with his first contact mission in the episode, sanctioned by the Federation. The ‘we’ in his statement clearly refers to the Federation, because that’s what he’s representing.

Then we STILL haven't seen Federation/Klingon First Contact because in Discovery they've already had some contact. Earth's first contact with Klingons doesn't count any more than Vulcan, Tellarite, or Andorian first contact with them and we haven't seen those either.

Maybe T'Kuvma was at Fed/Klingon First Contact and got ticked off, leading to the events of Discovery. Although T'Kuvma didn't seem that old in Disco so official contact happening almost 100 years after Enterprise, while not impossible, is strange.

 

[Dukhat]

Then we STILL haven't seen Federation/Klingon First Contact because in Discovery they've already had some contact. Earth's first contact with Klingons doesn't count any more than Vulcan, Tellarite, or Andorian first contact with them and we haven't seen those either.

Maybe T'Kuvma was at Fed/Klingon First Contact and got ticked off, leading to the events of Discovery. Although T'Kuvma didn't seem that old in Disco so official contact happening almost 100 years after Enterprise, while not impossible, is strange.

I am going by the context in which Picard’s statement was made. ENT and DSC didn’t exist at the time, so using them and the events that happened in them to take Picard’s statement out of the context in which it was made is a futile endeavor. Just accept that a retcon was made later and Picard’s statement is now invalid. It’s not like anyone is trying to justify why Kirk’s middle initial is ‘R’ in WNMHGB.

 

[fireproof78]

It’s not like anyone is trying to justify why Kirk’s middle initial is ‘R’ in WNMHGB.

Every once in a while I do. It's fun.

 

[Noname Given]

Picard: Centuries ago, a disastrous contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war. It was decided then we would do surveillance before making contact. It was a controversial decision. I believe it prevented more problems than it created.

On re-read, Picard NEVER says which Fed member had the disastrous contact with Klingons that led to decades of war. Could've been the Andorians or Tellarites. He never said it was Earth (the Vulcan Hello's memory alpha page doesn't seem to match what Picard describes here either)

You guys should just ask TrekBBS user Mudd directly as he wrote the script for the TNG episode First Contact and Picard's line about "Disastrous first contact..."

 

[Dukhat]

You guys should just ask TrekBBS user Mudd directly as he wrote the script for the TNG episode First Contact and Picard's line about "Disastrous first contact..."

I don’t need to ask him. It’s quite clear what Picard meant.

 

[Dukhat]

Not sure why my comment was so humorous, but I see we're veering off topic. For the people who really want a post-ENT President Archer show, good luck.

 

[Daedalus]

Not sure why my comment was so humorous, but I see we're veering off topic. For the people who really want a post-ENT President Archer show, good luck.

We'll definitely need it.

 

[XCV330]

I had felt like the Klingon Empire was in a very isolationist phase and there were aspects of Federation, rogue colonies and the like already getting into their own spheres of interest. Might have been a very long Cold War with proxie wars. The idea of a Federation first contact, when Vulcans and Humans knew them already and so presumably did Tellarites and Andorians since they had also been flying in warp ships longer than humans doesn’t make sense.

It’s also possible the proto-Federation tried to get the Klingons involved in the Romulan war and botched that initial diplomatic move so badly that it ruined things forever. Sounds like an Archer move.

 

[Dukhat]

I had felt like the Klingon Empire was in a very isolationist phase and there were aspects of Federation, rogue colonies and the like already getting into their own spheres of interest. Might have been a very long Cold War with proxie wars. The idea of a Federation first contact, when Vulcans and Humans knew them already and so presumably did Tellarites and Andorians since they had also been flying in warp ships longer than humans doesn’t make sense.

It’s also possible the proto-Federation tried to get the Klingons involved in the Romulan war and botched that initial diplomatic move so badly that it ruined things forever. Sounds like an Archer move.

Not like I really want to get drawn back into this conversation, but TOS showed that the Federation and the Klingon Empire were at about the same level of technology. But ENT showed that the Klingons were far in advance of humans, and that Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites already knew about them, but had no interest in making any kind of first contact protocols about them. So none of that lines up with Picard's statement.

 

[FredH]

Not like I really want to get drawn back into this conversation, but TOS showed that the Federation and the Klingon Empire were at about the same level of technology. But ENT showed that the Klingons were far in advance of humans, and that Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites already knew about them, but had no interest in making any kind of first contact protocols about them.

Don’t really see a problem here. In the 22nd century, Klingon tech is ahead of humanity’s — but their society is ossifying now, with non-warrior pursuits being massively downgraded and probably denigrated, as per what the lawyer told Archer. So a hundred years later, Klingon tech hasn’t moved much, whereas Earth’s/the Federation’s has skyrocketed by comparison, with all the interspecies exchange of the century since.

And Picard? Sometimes he just gets things wrong or, more likely, parrots ingrained “slanted readings” of history — that’s right in there on the whole “we’ve evolved” attitude he doesn’t get shocked out of until First Contact.