Exciting Exocomps

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Captain McBain, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. Captain McBain

    Captain McBain Captain Captain

    Do you believe the Exocomps were truly alive?:eek:
  2. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    They had the basics down pat: rudimentary ability to reproduce (if they could build tools, they could build themselves), will to live, and no obvious extinction-inducing handicaps (plenty of raw materials around, status as sympathetic protected species despite lack of soft fur or cute eyes, no competition).

    So yeah, alive at least in the same sense as viruses (biological or computer) are alive. And more so than Data, who apparently had no real hope of offspring.

    Timo Saloniemi
  3. Mojochi

    Mojochi Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Aug 18, 2007
    Sense of self awareness, self preservation, ability to evolve & adapt. Yeah. surely alive & intelligent, & very likely sentient, at some level
  4. The Castellan

    The Castellan Commodore Commodore

    May 2, 2004
    The Plains of Cydonia
    Sure, just because something is not flesh, blood and bone means something is not alive.
  5. Enterprise is Great

    Enterprise is Great Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 24, 2004
    I found the episode so boring that I didn't care either way. But if I did care I'd go with the alive side most likely as it makes the most sense in a sci-fi show. Uusually if there's a question about the aliveness of a artificial creature than the episode usually comes down on the alive side.
  6. RAMA

    RAMA Admiral Admiral

    Dec 13, 1999
    NJ, USA
    Of course it's not hard to believe at all, human level AI is only a few decades away (not centuries like in STNG), but I didn't really like the design, not very imaginative.

  7. T'Girl

    T'Girl Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 20, 2009
    Alive, but I didn't see sentient. So maybe the intelligence of an animal, or an insect.

    What was lacking was the ability for concept thinking and language. If they can materialize a tool, how about a speaker to communicate? Or couldn't one of these sentient beings think of that?

  8. marksound

    marksound Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Nov 19, 2008
    Planet Carcazed
    I could see a nightmare scenario with Exocomps evolving into Replicators, then are assimilated by the Borg, and then a big messy cross-universe war against Starfleet and Stargate Command ... :lol:
  9. Forbin

    Forbin Admiral Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    I said out, dammit!
    Never mind all that - why did Westmore have to put a funny forehead on the gorgeous Ellen Brye?! :klingon:
  10. sonak

    sonak Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 13, 2007
    in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination
    in the Trek universe, yes.

    Realistically, no. They were deliberately designed to be relatively simple tools with basic programming. Machines can't naturally "evolve" the way organic beings can.(not to mention that individuals don't really evolve) At least in the case of Data or Lore they were DESIGNED to be self-aware.

    "QOL" would ask us to accept that simple machines accidentally evolved into self-awareness. Riiiight.
  11. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    How so? What evidence do we have that the exocomps were not talking with each other, using a complex and expressive language?

    If anything, we could argue that our heroes were not sentient, because clearly they didn't speak exocomp.

    Why not? It's the organic beings that cannot evolve much (from infant to adult, yes, but that's not really all that remarkable) - but a machine like this could and would be built with the ability to improve itself within a single generation, and there'd be no point in building in limitations on exactly how it would improve itself (or else it would have been built to the improved specs already from the get-go). So unpredictable results would be guaranteed by design.

    Timo Saloniemi