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EW FullUSS Kelvin Picture

Several ships in Trek, both alien and Federation, lack obvious deflectors.
The operative word there being "obvious."

The wide majority of Starfleet ships we've seen have clearly had a deflector of some sort. Those ships that haven't have been few and far between.
... and they didn't last long without them. :vulcan:
Quite true. I believe I once heard something about how if a ship when into warp with a defective deflector (say that three times fast), a particle of space dust could tear her apart. Again... important piece of technology.
 
The operative word there being "obvious."

The wide majority of Starfleet ships we've seen have clearly had a deflector of some sort. Those ships that haven't have been few and far between.
... and they didn't last long without them. :vulcan:
Quite true. I believe I once heard something about how if a ship when into warp with a defective deflector (say that three times fast), a particle of space dust could tear her apart. Again... important piece of technology.

Yes, an important piece of technology... which needn't be a big visual element. It is my understanding that the dish is a sensor dish, and the deflector also uses this dish, but you could also put the deflector in a seperate location. Perhaps in much the way that radar is placed in a modern-day airplane. This works with the Miranda, Obereth, Kelvin, etc.
 
... and they didn't last long without them. :vulcan:
Quite true. I believe I once heard something about how if a ship when into warp with a defective deflector (say that three times fast), a particle of space dust could tear her apart. Again... important piece of technology.

Yes, an important piece of technology... which needn't be a big visual element. It is my understanding that the dish is a sensor dish, and the deflector also uses this dish, but you could also put the deflector in a seperate location. Perhaps in much the way that radar is placed in a modern-day airplane. This works with the Miranda, Obereth, Kelvin, etc.

There are places on the Miranda and Oberth models that might be navigational deflectors. (Round things attached to those raps each side of the Bridge on the Miranda, and a black rectangular area at the front of the saucer for the Oberth).

My understanding for the Constitution class, and the Galaxy class, is that the Navigational Deflector was visible, with long range sensors situated behind it, and warp engines somewhere behind that in the secondary hull.

One advantage I can see with the Kelvin having a warp nacelle below, and a small secondary hull above, is that warp power might be used to directly supplement the Impulse engines, providing a lot of additional flexibility in an emergency.

Of course, there are sensor domes on top of the Bridge at at the bottom of the saucer as well, which I would assume are short-range sensors on these ships.

Of course, I could be completely and utterly wrong on this.
 
... and they didn't last long without them. :vulcan:
Quite true. I believe I once heard something about how if a ship when into warp with a defective deflector (say that three times fast), a particle of space dust could tear her apart. Again... important piece of technology.

Yes, an important piece of technology... which needn't be a big visual element. It is my understanding that the dish is a sensor dish, and the deflector also uses this dish, but you could also put the deflector in a seperate location. Perhaps in much the way that radar is placed in a modern-day airplane. This works with the Miranda, Obereth, Kelvin, etc.
Who knows if the Kelvin does or doesn't have a dish like the ones we've grown accustomed to seeing? I'm merely guessing that a deflector dish which is a prominent visual element will likely be a part of the Kelvin (on either the top or bottom) as compared to being concealed off somewhere else, as that's simply not how the majority of Trek ships traditionally look. I mean, TPTB have obviously gone out of their way to show us (and to state, as Orci and Kurtzman have) that ships in their Starfleet look like the ships in the Starfleet we know and love. I don't see why they'd go against the grain here.

Sure, I'll concede that one of the two things on either side of the Kelvin, isn't a deflector dish... but I'm just saying it's a good bet one of them is.
 
The blue thing is the deflector, the red thing just poking through at the bottom is the nacelle. I think it looks pretty good!

It looks like the edge of the saucer section is canted the opposite angle from what we've had in the past. I wonder if the ship, apparently in battle, is in a roll and we are seeing the ventral side. That's more in keeping with tradion (nacelles above and deflector dish below the saucer).
I agree, I looked at the picture on my phone then fliped my phone upside down the blue thing looks more like a primary hull with a deflector and the red could actually be a nacell
 
The blue thing is the deflector, the red thing just poking through at the bottom is the nacelle. I think it looks pretty good!

It looks like the edge of the saucer section is canted the opposite angle from what we've had in the past. I wonder if the ship, apparently in battle, is in a roll and we are seeing the ventral side. That's more in keeping with tradion (nacelles above and deflector dish below the saucer).
I agree, I looked at the picture on my phone then fliped my phone upside down the blue thing looks more like a primary hull with a deflector and the red could actually be a nacell

But then the writing on the hull is messed up.
 
Didn't the Enterprise-E *cut off* the deflector dish in First Contact and still make it home?
 
heres a really high res picture of the Kelvin


Ok, now it's clearer. There is a sun or other bright object off-screen to the left. (Based on spoilers, it's a sun) Most of those things flying at the ship look more like torpedoes now, and they leave an exhaust trail. That blue thing is the deflector, most likely.
 
Didn't the Enterprise-E *cut off* the deflector dish in First Contact and still make it home?
Not at warp... though they were traveling at near-light-speed when the Borg made their little strafing run on the Phoenix.
 
Didn't the Enterprise-E *cut off* the deflector dish in First Contact and still make it home?
Not at warp... though they were traveling at near-light-speed when the Borg made their little strafing run on the Phoenix.

So? Even at Earth-orbit speeds, it takes very little mass to have a hellavalot of satellite-damaging kinetic energy (since mass has a linear relationship with Ek, while velocity has a squared relationship). At relativistic (high sublight) speeds, a teeny rock would tear a huge hole in a spaceship.
 
Didn't the Enterprise-E *cut off* the deflector dish in First Contact and still make it home?
Not at warp... though they were traveling at near-light-speed when the Borg made their little strafing run on the Phoenix.

So? Even at Earth-orbit speeds, it takes very little mass to have a hellavalot of satellite-damaging kinetic energy (since mass has a linear relationship with Ek, while velocity has a squared relationship). At relativistic (high sublight) speeds, a teeny rock would tear a huge hole in a spaceship.
Wouldn't they also have to achieve warp to get back to their own time? Without a deflector dish? Amazing! :vulcan:
 
Didn't the Enterprise-E *cut off* the deflector dish in First Contact and still make it home?
Not at warp... though they were traveling at near-light-speed when the Borg made their little strafing run on the Phoenix.

So? Even at Earth-orbit speeds, it takes very little mass to have a hellavalot of satellite-damaging kinetic energy (since mass has a linear relationship with Ek, while velocity has a squared relationship). At relativistic (high sublight) speeds, a teeny rock would tear a huge hole in a spaceship.
Yeah, I know. AND the shields were supposedly down. *shrugs* They obviously didn't take everything into account. Hard science has never been what Trek has done best.
 
That ship is fugly. And why is the registry NCC-0514? Wouldn't it make more sense to make it NCC-514? Jeez, that's a stupid registry number.

Perhaps Starfleet was forward-thinking enough to realize that they soon would have ships with 4-digit registries, so they added a zero as a place-holder (of course they weren't forward-thinking enough since by the 24th century they would need to add more digits).

In my line of work I use this idea everyday...numbers I use have 4 digits no matter if it's a or 0001 or 9999. Having a placeholder for all four digits makes things much more orderly (especially in lists).
 
Am I the only one that thinks this looks like one of Forbin's kitbashes?

* crickets *

What? ;)

Q2UnME

I'm with you on that one...LOL, one of the first things I thought when I saw it...:lol:

Of course, I think only you and I are the only one to get the reference in this board!!
 
It looks like the edge of the saucer section is canted the opposite angle from what we've had in the past. I wonder if the ship, apparently in battle, is in a roll and we are seeing the ventral side. That's more in keeping with tradion (nacelles above and deflector dish below the saucer).
I agree, I looked at the picture on my phone then fliped my phone upside down the blue thing looks more like a primary hull with a deflector and the red could actually be a nacelle

But then the writing on the hull is messed up.

I was all set to argue with you about this, especially after viewing the other pic,w hich shows the Kelvin exploding. That one seems to show a larger bridge dome than in the other pic, and shadowing on the saucer's edge indicating the backward cant on the bottom. But then I copied, pasted, and rotated the image of the damaged ship and you're right: the registry gets all messed up. Hmmm. I stand corrected.
 
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