Whomever signs his check is the final authority. This is Hollywood. I think you vastly misunderstand the power structure.
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Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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Whomever signs his check is the final authority. This is Hollywood. I think you vastly misunderstand the power structure.
She doesn't even have to be a Skywalker to round out the saga, just connected to the original trilogy somehow (and not a "nobody"). If you think about it, Star Wars has really been about the good Skywalkers' battle against the evil Palpatine. It would be an interesting twist if the final battle of Ep IX pitted the evil Skywalker (Kylo Ren) against the good Palpatine descedent (Rey).
Luke and Leia are still Skywalker protagonists in the ST.
And with Kylo Ren as the Last Skywalker Standing, his death in the climax of Episode IX brings a neat and tidy end to the Saga. No more Skywalkers. Just what they left behind - a galaxy in burning ruins, forced to start everything over from scratch.
Enter Rian Johnson, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss. Enter Star Wars: The Next Generation.
Yup. Luke and Anakin both had a natural edge as pilots/pod racers because of their mostly latent force abiliites, but actually learning to control that power took years. Luke has apparently been training himself for years by ESB; it still takes all his reserves to pull his lightsaber from the snow, and we're given lines like "I can feel the Force"/"But you cannot control it". The Force (especially in the OT) was portrayed as a spritual thing that demanded "the deepest commitment, the most serious mind".
I think it's a bit like how magic is portrayed in Harry Potter. Kids sometimes chance on magic use before school, but they need years to actually harness those latent abilities.
Rey's habit of seemingly downloading her abilities just seems like an excuse for sloppywriting.
No. Throughout the three year period between ANH and TESB, he simply harnesses the Force without knowing what he's doing or exactly how he's doing it, which is the same situation he's in at the end of ANH when he destroys the Death Star. That's not training; training is what happens when he goes to Degobah.
People were only "bent out of shape" over Rey's innate Force strength because they wanted something to whine about.
I think there's a middle ground here. He might not be training under someone, but he had (albeit fleeting) instruction from Obi-Wan to understand the very basics of the force and "take his first step in a larger world". He isn't being directly trained, but he is actively working to develop his abilities and presumably basing his self-training on the instruction he previously received.
"Training" is a formal term denoting prolonged and sustained supervised instruction, be it in a "classroom" or "on the job".
If you're given minimal instruction and then just told to "go do", you haven't received training.
This is why I said he 'self trained' and that 'there's a middle ground'. People do talk about training themselves to do things, and I'd argue that's what Luke was doing here.
There's not actually such a thing as 'self-training'; the term you're looking for is "self-teaching", which is not the same thing as "training".
Luke was largely a self-taught Jedi whose training was incomplete, something Yoda both acknowledged and validated in RotJ.
But I don't think self-taught really is what happens to Luke. He's acting under the lessons started with Obi-Wan - there is some formal instruction going on. I guess 'homework' might be an odd but fitting term.
In any case, this doesn't really get away from the point about Rey.
One exercise that is 99% verbal with little instructional context is not training.
And there is no "point about Rey" other than people having decided to object to her simply for the sake of having an excuse to complain.
I didn't realize you had the Jedi curriculum on hand... Obi-Wan gives Luke his first step; it's when he does that one exercise that Luke first feels the Force and fleetingly manages to use it. When he pulls his lightsaber out of the snow, you can almost see him struggling to put everything Obi-Wan said into practice.
And it took him three years to get to that point.
In hindsight, however, his struggle really doesn't make any sense.
That's kinda my point regarding Rey.
How, exactly, does an outdated portrayal of Luke's Force proficiency have anything to do with Rey?
Outdated?
Thing is, Luke had very little to work with. Even examples were few and far between. Rey at least gets some, unintended, pointers from Kylo when he uses the Force on her. Lets her know stuff is possible, and via trying to probe her mind, she decides to probe back, and learns stuff.
