Episode Eight Pre-Release Thread

[DigificWriter]

Hamill has, as noted, previously flat-out stated that Rey is a stranger to Luke, so phrasing the whole thing as a "leading question" this time around is, as noted, deliberately trying to fan the flames of a 'debate' that has long since been settled in a way that is disappointing to numerous people to the point that said people are flat-out refusing to acknowledge the fact that said debate is in fact settled and has been settled AGAINST them.

It is not "speculation" to state that the "Rey Skywalker" thing has long been proven to be debunked; it is simply stating facts.

 

[Tuskin38]

by the time Luke's students were murdered, Rey had been stranded on Jakku for a significant amount of time (at least a decade, IIRC).

Hm, I had forgotten about this.

 

[Skywalker]

Hm, I had forgotten about this.

Yeah, Ben's fall to the dark side and the subsequent destruction of Luke's Jedi had to have occurred no more than six years prior to TFA (neither had happened yet by the time of the novel Bloodline, which took place six years before TFA), and going by Rey's apparent age in the flashback of her being left behind on Jakku, she was probably there for at least a decade.

 

[Ithekro]

Rey has a lot of hash marks in her Walker-house.

 

[DigificWriter]

I sat down and did the math, and Rey would've actually been on Jakku for 8 years by the time of the events of Bloodline, since she would've been around 13 at the time and was left on the planet when she was 5.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Han and Leia do not physically recognize her ... Someone is not going to change in 15 or so years to the point that, if you saw them years later, you wouldn't be at least able to remember/see in them remnants of the person/child they used to be...

You're really stretching things. It's totally not uncommon for people to change significantly from toddler to young adult. I've met a number of people I knew as a child who wouldn't have recognized me if I didn't tell them who I was. In fact, they initially treated me...

Han and Leia treat Rey like a complete stranger because that's what she is to them.

... yeah, like that.

Pablo Hidalgo and the supplementary Visual Guide.

"Who? What?", said millions of people who don't care about anything other than what they see in the theatres. I have a suspicion that Disney's experiment in extended and forced canon is going to suffer a complete backfire at some point.

I sat down and did the math, and Rey would've actually been on Jakku for 8 years by the time of the events of Bloodline, since she would've been around 13 at the time and was left on the planet when she was 5.

By the way, since I had never heard of "Bloodline" before you mentioned it, I did some research. Rey isn't even in the book, so I'm not sure how this establishes that she can't be related to Luke. Care to explain?

 

[Tuskin38]

Rey isn't even in the book, so I'm not sure how this establishes that she can't be related to Luke. Care to explain?

The timeline of events.

The original topic was about if Luke knew her because of the Academy.

I think.

 

[JD]

I read the visual guide and I've followed most of the news as it's come out, and I still have no idea where all of this stuff that proves with 100% certainty that Rey can't be Luke's daughter or at least someone with some kind of connection him and his family is.

The only thing I will give you that does make it a bit harder is the timeline issues from Bloodlines, but we still don't know enough of her history to totally rule anything out with certainty.

I'm really not trying to be difficult or anything here, I'm just honestly not seeing anything that's changed my mind, and I'm trying to understand what has you so convinced.

 

[Kor]

Rey remembers her parents taking off in a ship and leaving her on Jakku. How can she not remember who they were?

Kor

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Rey remembers her parents taking off in a ship and leaving her on Jakku. How can she not remember who they were?

Kor

Maybe she was adopted, so she never knew her real parents?

 

[Rowan Sjet]

Rey remembers her parents taking off in a ship and leaving her on Jakku. How can she not remember who they were?

Kor

No, she saw herself in a Force vision, watching someone leaving in a ship as she screamed for them to come back. Nothing to indicate that's something she was actually able to remember.

 

[fireproof78]

Han and Leia do not physically recognize her (something that has been confirmed/clarified by sources such as the Visual Guide and even Pablo Hidalgo and J.J. Abrams). Someone is not going to change in 15 or so years to the point that, if you saw them years later, you wouldn't be at least able to remember/see in them remnants of the person/child they used to be... which is not what happens. Han and Leia treat Rey like a complete stranger because that's what she is to them.

I have to disagree with this on personal experience. I had not seen a cousin of mine in ten years, and when he showed up to surprise my aunt and uncle, when he says "Hi" I couldn't figure out who he was.

As much as I would like to agree with you, I cannot due to personal experience.

It's virtually impossible, given what we know, for Rey to be a "secret daughter" of Luke's without casting some seriously damaging aspersions on the character.

It is not "speculation" to state that the "Rey Skywalker" thing has long been proven to be debunked; it is simply stating facts.

Proven by what? That's part that I share @JD's confusion on. What is so concrete and immutable that it cannot possibly be changed by the writers of Episode 8?

As much as I don't want it to be "Rey Skywalker" I can't rule it out. I really want to though. Because, that will be a breaking point for me.

 

[JD]

Yeah, so far I haven't seen a single comment that couldn't still be wiggled around.
Just because they don't recognize her as an adult doesn't mean they never saw her as a kid. I don't think there is any way I could possibly recognize an adult who I last saw a young child.
And when they are saying they never met "Rey", that could just mean they never met her after she took on the name Rey, and only new as a child with her real name.
And even if she was on Jakku before all of the stuff with Ben Skywalker and the Knights of Ren that doesn't mean that something else couldn't have driven her parents (whether father was Luke or someone else) to send her off into hiding.

 

[DigificWriter]

As much as I don't want it to be "Rey Skywalker" I can't rule it out.

Trust me; it can - and should - be unequivocally ruled out. I know JD disagrees with me on that score , but there really is no ambiguity here.

 

[fireproof78]

Trust me; it can - and should - be unequivocally ruled out. I know JD disagrees with me on that score , but there really is no ambiguity here.

Tell that to the Internet

Trust me, there is ambiguity because there is no official "she is/she isn't" set in stone. When there is, well pet theories will survive but not as persistent.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I mentioned this to JD in private, but the thing about this situation is that there's been a consistent and systematic pattern of individuals from Lucasfilm and/or the actors involved with the film doing everything they can - short of actually saying it - to refute/debunk the "Rey Skywalker" theories stretching all the way back to December 2015, and doing so in ways that really aren't ambiguous in any way, shape, or form.

I'm not sure why they seem reluctant to flat-out say the words "Rey is not a Skywalker", but their pattern of behavior and the statements/comments that have been made/materials that have been released has been one of consistently and systematically unraveling any and all components of the "Rey Skywalker" theory, so as the old saying goes, "if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it's definitely a duck".

Yes, this conspiracy theory keeps on persisting, but that doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy theory.

 

[JD]

The only way I will be 100% convince before we get a definite answer in the movies is if someone involved say "Rey is not in any way shape or form a Skywalker, or related to Skywalkers,or have any connection to them and I swear this is the complete truth and there will be no surprise twist in a later movie, and I am not lying" with all of their fingers and toes completely visible. I've been lied to and seen them twist things around so many times when it comes this kind of stuff, that I don't completely believe them until I get the answer in the movie/show itself.
I'll admit, I'm not as certain of it as I used to be, but I just won't totally rule out anything with absolute 100% certainty until we get the next two movies.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

^ I mentioned this to JD in private, but the thing about this situation is that there's been a consistent and systematic pattern of individuals from Lucasfilm and/or the actors involved with the film doing everything they can - short of actually saying it - to refute/debunk the "Rey Skywalker" theories stretching all the way back to December 2015, and doing so in ways that really aren't ambiguous in any way, shape, or form.

Well, then you're a sucker for believing what they're peddling.

 

[DigificWriter]

Well, then you're a sucker for believing what they're peddling.

I'm sorry, but not seeing ambiguity in statements and releases of official material that are completely unambiguous doesn't make me a "sucker".

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I'm sorry, but not seeing ambiguity in statements and releases of official material that are completely unambiguous doesn't make me a "sucker".

What official material says that Rey is not related to Luke? That's what everyone is asking you about, and you haven't been able to show us. Just answer that, and we'll bury the "conspiracy theory" (which isn't a conspiracy theory, because pretty much everyone suspected as much after TFA).