Entertainment Weekly Cover Story (7/28)

[fireproof78]

Surprisingly, things make sense in context.

 

[Fateor]

If you actually had the full context of what was happening you could see that it actually does work, and has a real purpose behind it. Just reading about stuff online really doesn't give you the full experience of how things got to the point that they did.

You say that, yet the only reason it was even able to create the semi-coherent narrative that it did was by Kristen ignoring the television canon origin of the Q and writing in her own.

Which is pretty much THEE biggest sin possible for a writer that is working within the confines of an already existent universe.

And all of the stuff that happened with the Qs was meant to be a bad thing, I'm pretty sure I remember reading in an interview that Kirsten decided to do that stuff when she brought Janeway back because she wanted her return to need a sacrifice, and she wanted there to be a there to be a negative effect to go along with it.

Except she could have just chosen to leave Janeway dead and continue on with the other characters.

In fact she probably should have done that given how much Janeway has come to dominate what had previously been a bunch of much more interesting storylines.

 

[JD]

If it helps q specifically chose to sacrifice himself in order to help save all of reality, so it's not like it was a quick or casual thing.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Kristen ignoring the television canon origin of the Q

Since there IS no television canon origin of the Q, I'm not seeing the problem here.

 

[Spider]

Like I said in an NFL forum, I'll be glad when the season starts so we'll finally have something real to discuss.

 

[fireproof78]

You say that, yet the only reason it was even able to create the semi-coherent narrative that it did was by Kristen ignoring the television canon origin of the Q and writing in her own.

Which is pretty much THEE biggest sin possible for a writer that is working within the confines of an already existent universe.

Since I've always be fascinated by the origins of Q, which episode documented that?

 

[JD]

Ok, so it's not just me then. I honestly had no idea what he was talking about there.

Except she could have just chosen to leave Janeway dead and continue on with the other characters.

In fact she probably should have done that given how much Janeway has come to dominate what had previously been a bunch of much more interesting storylines.

There were probably hundreds of different things she could have chosen to do, but she chose to bring Janeway back and I don't think that was a bad choice.
Honestly, Janeway was killed at a point when Voyager had gone on a bit of a hiatus, but once it came back it made perfect for her to come back too. The series was doing OK without her, but I also don't think there was anything wrong with bringing her back.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Q claimed they have always existed in the show, I don't think the novels contradict that. But its been a while since I read that story.

 

[Fateor]

Since there IS no television canon origin of the Q, I'm not seeing the problem here.

Since I've always be fascinated by the origins of Q, which episode documented that?

The Q claimed they have always existed in the show, I don't think the novels contradict that. But its been a while since I read that story.

I know a lot of Star Trek fans hate Voyager, but that doesn't mean Death Wish where Quinn talks about how the Q originated as humanoid race suddenly disappeares.

 

[BillJ]

The only impact Beyer's comments had on me, was to further cement that there is no way this can be in-line with TOS, in my mind.

But, I expect Discovery to be a good show in its own right.

 

[Tuskin38]

I know a lot of Star Trek fans hate Voyager, but that doesn't mean Death Wish where Quinn talks about how the Q originated as humanoid race suddenly disappeares.

Do you have a quote?

I've gone through what Quinn says in the episode, and I don't see anything that implies that.

But I may have missed something.

Edit:

Found it

As the Q have evolved, we've sacrificed many things along the way. Not just manners, but mortality, and a sense of purpose, and a desire for change, and a capacity to grow. Every loss is a new vulnerability, wouldn't you say?

Doesn't say Humanoid, just mortality.

 

[fireproof78]

I know a lot of Star Trek fans hate Voyager, but that doesn't mean Death Wish where Quinn talks about how the Q originated as humanoid race suddenly disappeares.

That's about as nebulous an origin as any other. It's not like they are the Ancients from Stargate who ascended. Both reporters on the Q are not reliable as witnesses, as Q himself is often a trickster, and Quinn has an agenda against the Continuum.

 

[BillJ]

I haven't read the books, but I can't imagine what Beyer did with the Q was any worse than what Voyager did to them after "Death Wish".

 

[Fateor]

That's about as nebulous an origin as any other. It's not like they are the Ancients from Stargate who ascended. Both reporters on the Q are not reliable as witnesses, as Q himself is often a trickster, and Quinn has an agenda against the Continuum.

Sorry but no, you don't get to claim someone is lying without evidence.

Doubly so if you are trying to use the claim of a lie to justify violating previously stated canon of the setting.

 

[kirk55555]

If you actually had the full context of what was happening you could see that it actually does work, and has a real purpose behind it. Just reading about stuff online really doesn't give you the full experience of how things got to the point that they did.
And all of the stuff that happened with the Qs was meant to be a bad thing, I'm pretty sure I remember reading in an interview that Kirsten decided to do that stuff when she brought Janeway back because she wanted her return to need a sacrifice, and she wanted there to be a there to be a negative effect to go along with it.
And just because someone might have made a creative choice you might not like doesn't excuse any of the obnoxious shit you've been posting. You can say you don't like it without lowering yourself to personal insults, all that does is make you look bad.

So she destroyed Q, one of my favorite characters, to bring back a character that never should have been killed off in the first fucking place if they were just going to bring her back in, what, a year after the book that killed her (based off of half assed googling so it might have been a bit longer)? Again, screw that. There is no justification I'll accept for what Beyer did to Q, the fact that it was done to bring back Janeway (and for no damn reason because there were probably 5,00o,000 ways to bring her back without ruining Q) is just worse.

If they made Riker kill and eat Troi, but said it was supposed to be a bad thing, would that make it right? No, it wouldn't and the context wouldn't matter. I would accept that addmitedly over the top scenario before I'd accept what Beyer did to Q. She took a great character who was created and expanded upon by people much more talented then her and destroyed him to reverse a death that didn't need to happen in the first place. That alone makes her, in my opinion, the worst writer to ever write an official Trek product, and I wouldn't read one of her books if I was being paid.

It is all about context, you don't have the context to these events.

Ok, one more time

There is NO context to justify this. If other people want to cheer and dance and celebrate the destruction of Q, that is their choice. There is no situation where killing q or ruining Q is acceptable. None. End of story.

I haven't read the books, but I can't imagine what Beyer did with the Q was any worse than what Voyager did to them after "Death Wish".

You mean produce very good episodes? I don't believe there is a single bad Q episode, and the only kind of weak one is True Q, which was TNG

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I don't believe there is a single bad Q episode, and the only kind of weak one is True Q, which was TNG

I think "Hide and Q" is both bad and easily the worst Q episode.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think "Hide and Q" is both bad and easily the worst Q episode.

To the penalty box you go!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

To the penalty box you go!

*sheds a tear*

 

[Vger23]

Talk about a discussion that wandered off-track

 

[Fateor]

So she destroyed Q, one of my favorite characters, to bring back a character that never should have been killed off in the first fucking place if they were just going to bring her back in, what, a year after the book that killed her (based off of half assed googling so it might have been a bit longer)? Again, screw that. There is no justification I'll accept for what Beyer did to Q, the fact that it was done to bring back Janeway (and for no damn reason because there were probably 5,00o,000 ways to bring her back without ruining Q) is just worse.

I could think of like 3 or 4 better ways she could have brought Janeway back just off hand.