Enterprise's Mirror Universe
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Rumor has it that if Enterprise had been given a fifth season, there would have been more than one episode set in the Mirror Universe, kind of like a "series within the series."
And yes, it's a shame it was cancelled. It was finally finding its footing and giving us the episodes a prequel series was supposed to give us.
And yes, it's a shame it was cancelled. It was finally finding its footing and giving us the episodes a prequel series was supposed to give us.
I grew up watching Voyager, so when it ended and they brought in Enterprise, I watched it with love. I read about those rumors, and I bet they're true, but I think the Xindi thing is what scared off a whole bunch of the viewers(I thought alot of the Xindi plot was overdone, but was pretty badass!)
I, unfortunately, only got to watch Voyager up until the mid-third season when it was first on the air. I also got to watch Deep Space Nine up until the mid-fifth season. My parents switched cable companies and the new one didn't have UPN. The only time I could watch them was on 3 A.M. reruns. Since I was in high school at the time, that was out of the question.
However, after I finally got all the seasons of both shows on DVD, I watched them non-stop. Deep Space Nine is definitely my favorite, but I love Voyager as well.
I delayed buying the Enterprise DVDs for a long time. Only recently did I get and watch them. I bought into the bad press the series as always received and thought "it can't be any good." Now I wish I had watched them before now. The series was great.
In my opinion, the first two seasons were what Voyager had been, just done a little better. The third season was pretty good. I was glad to see the series get more serialized, like Deep Space Nine. However, it was a little overly dramatic. (Come on, everyone knew Earth would be saved.) Season four, howver, was spectacular. The only things that disappointed me where that horrid, just horrid, finale and the fact that the producers seemed determined to keep Trip and T'Pol apart.
Someone else on TrekBBS, I can't remember who, said they were laying the foundations for what would have been a magnificent seasons five through seven. I have to agree with that.
"In a Mirror, Darkly I and II" aren't my favorite episodes, but they were certainly awesome. I would have loved to have had another visit to the Mirror Universe.
However, after I finally got all the seasons of both shows on DVD, I watched them non-stop. Deep Space Nine is definitely my favorite, but I love Voyager as well.
I delayed buying the Enterprise DVDs for a long time. Only recently did I get and watch them. I bought into the bad press the series as always received and thought "it can't be any good." Now I wish I had watched them before now. The series was great.
In my opinion, the first two seasons were what Voyager had been, just done a little better. The third season was pretty good. I was glad to see the series get more serialized, like Deep Space Nine. However, it was a little overly dramatic. (Come on, everyone knew Earth would be saved.) Season four, howver, was spectacular. The only things that disappointed me where that horrid, just horrid, finale and the fact that the producers seemed determined to keep Trip and T'Pol apart.
Someone else on TrekBBS, I can't remember who, said they were laying the foundations for what would have been a magnificent seasons five through seven. I have to agree with that.
"In a Mirror, Darkly I and II" aren't my favorite episodes, but they were certainly awesome. I would have loved to have had another visit to the Mirror Universe.
Can I first of all say, as a fan of-well, check my Avatar-and STE-and TOS, my three faves, THANKS, because it's good to see POSITIVE comments about this other good ST series that isn't necessary to be IN the STE threads...as for Mirror, well, It was interesting to see another visit, a prequel to MM, but I missed my 'good guys' back home in the main U. The 'almost Enterprise 1701' bridge and Jeffries tubes interiors were AWESOME! And thankfully, we had a new glimpse of my faves the Gorn-and my other TOS fave guest aliens the Tholians!(LOVE 'THE THOLIAN WEB'), and the Defiant,something I used for a Voyager storyline I have, was terrific, and intriguing how they told us where she ended up...But, wow, I was ready to get back home when it was done...they played the Mirror roles to the hilt. Shudder. Tiberius Kirk would have been proud. I liked that T'Pol was seeing 'possibilities' with that glimpse into the other universe....the music, which I have heard at Trekcore, is really good-as you'd expect from STE vet Brian Tyler, who I'd hire in a minute if I had a ST project going. I 've toyed a bit with some sequel STE Mirror material as well, involving Trip, out on his own, and hunted....
Enterprise had already lost half its viewers by the middle of the second season. The Xindi were brought in as a means of bringing more viewers in. They failed in that regard. Although the third season did not lose as many viewers as the second did, it didn't really gain any viewers either.
By the fourth season, it became obvious that only the die-hard Trek fans were watching, and so the show was re-done for them. And it was awesome.
But yes, I seem to remember Manny Coto giving details on how he was planning a potential fifth season of Enterprise. There were things like Shran becoming one of the main cast, an episode about Starfleet establishing its first starbase, and there would have been more MU episodes. In fact, I think a storyline for a follow-up to In A Mirror Darkly by Mike Sussman was given to Pocket Books who used it in their Mirror Universe anthology from a few years ago.
Welcome Kang! We have an Enterprise-specific forum for Enterprise threads, so I'll move this thread there.
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Awww most of you made me depressed again... :/
Correct: Star Trek Mirror Universe: Glass Empires, a trio of MU-themed novels. The Enterprise story is "Age of the Empress," by Dayton Ward and Kevin Dilmore, based on a story by Mike Sussman. Great read. I think it would have made some kickass MU episodes for Enterprise Season 5.
Welcome to the ENT forum, Kang.
Its a shame we didn't get to see a TNG mirror universe. It was close with Yesterdays Enterprise, but I don't think that was meant to be mirror.
See the novel, 'Dark Mirror' by Diane Duane, circa early 90's, if you can find it. It's a TNG Mirror tome, with a Starfleet -of-the-Empire still intact by Picard's era...and the story takes place on both D's....
^ That was one damn good novel. Much better than the DS9 take on the MU.
I still recall our Jean-Luc going through Mirror's stuff over there on the other D-a truly malevolent ship, as Geordi discovers how powerful it is...and reading the variances in Shakespeare, which MU Phlox ref'd in MD, interestingly.I wonder what Troi fans would make of her counterpart...one scary lady!!I was particularly interested to hear the book's in-between history after Spock and Kirk MU's encounter....BTW, the Shatner novel 'Preserver'(I do like those books) has a little scene that has Cochrane flipping a coin as to whether or not to tell the Vulcans about, ahem..THEM...point being, the MU could have been a divergent point where he did-and somehow a militant regime, 'fearing the other'(Collective) begat the whole chaos ensuing...remember Archer, who spoke of the weapon he had on his wall in his Ready Room, that actually belonged to MU Zeph when he lead the assault against the Vulcan scoutship...and it was clear there WAS that fear, as he spoke of an invasion force from Vulcan...total nonsense, of course, but then , history is written by the victors, as someone said...fear does begat anger, so that concept works pretty well here, in a postatomic society where, as our Picard discovered in FC with Lily, there continued worries about more attacks by the Eastern Coalition, or etc.....but then, it was a divergent reality....so, maybe the militancy was more heavily intermingled here....It makes one wonder if there comes a change between ENT and TOS in the way Vulcans are regarded among 'Terrans'...unless Spock's partial humanity somehow gave him in an, that others of his race would not have. That may be more the case, since there was such animus for almost a century before Archer MU's heyday.These humans don't change their spots easily, as Spock had in mind when Jim was trying to sway him towards reasonable thinking. But maybe they began to see them as tools to be used, or Vulcan for the most part gave in and 'embraced' their fate as a conquered race. The sudden, and drastic change in tactical superiority with the Defiant-Constitution Class would certainly tip that towards suppressing any upstatr Vulcans-and M T'Pol had a dickens of a time convincing M Soval to 'man up'.....
.Probably my favorite Star Trek MU in written form.
all in all, i believe 'in a mirror, darkly' to be perhaps the most daring gamble of a trek episode ever, and boy, did it pay off. a wonderful episode from start to finish
Dunno, remember when that Spock made the comments of his allies avegning him to Sulu....Sulu's face looked like, "Oh....shit," when Spock mentioned Vulcans, meaning that Vulcans do indeed have a pretty good footing in the Empire.
Also, if the Defiant was in fact kept in the hands of the Empire, the 2009 Enterprise, I think would have been what the 23rd century in the mirror universe would have been like, shipwise for the imperial starfleet.
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