Enterprise Pic

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by bdb, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. Aragorn

    Aragorn Admiral Admiral

    Dec 30, 2002
    Yeah, keep that up and I'll start declaring Cliff Eidelman or Leonard Rosenman as the ultimate Trek composer. :p
  2. Uptightgirl

    Uptightgirl Lieutenant

    Nov 25, 2007
    Could you post more pictures in which the color and brightness/contrast and gamma have been adjusted?

    This could reveal more detail.
  3. Stardate

    Stardate Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 16, 2006
    Here are some comparison shots that i ,, borrowed,, from other ST site. :p
  4. TrekkieMonster

    TrekkieMonster Commodore Commodore

    Jul 9, 2001
    The Hub of the Universe
    Ah, gotcha. I've been purposely steering clear of info about the trailer until I can see it. Thanks for the additional info.

    Sorry if I wasn't clearer in my earlier post. When I said "general shape of the saucer", I meant that to also apply to my comments about the "step". I'm not saying it's identical to Gabe's, but the fact that it exists at all is reminiscent of Gabe's design, as is the cowling behind the bussards. Again, it may not be identical, but the only place I, for one, have previously seen these particular design elements is on Gabe's model some months ago.
  5. mada101

    mada101 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jul 14, 2006
    This picture only further cements my beliefs into the 'Its A Reboot' camp. I just can't buy the new look fitting in before the TOS one. It looks more like a stage in between TOS and TMP.
  6. shipfisher

    shipfisher Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 10, 2006
    After seeing the nacelles on the new 1701, I'm starting to see why Gabe K's version made the SotL calender. What better way to gage fan reaction to the new design than to hide it (or elements anyway) in plain sight. Looks like Gabe's may have been a bit of a "pathfinder" to soften us up a little.
  7. Roshi

    Roshi Admiral Admiral

    Nov 22, 2004
    ^Gabe's designs of the Big E were made waaay before JJ's coup to get the gig...
  8. FordSVT

    FordSVT Vice Admiral Admiral

    Nov 17, 2001
    Atlantic Canada
    While I agree with the overall sentiment, that's all speculation. It may or may not have anything to do with a scene in the movie.

    The early TF teaser with the Mars Rover had everyone scratching their heads, and everyone assumed it wouldn't have anything to do with the movie. But it did end up appearing in a limited fashion.

    So you might see the E under construction, you might not. Might be in space, might be on the ground. We'll have to see. From the sounds of the trailer description I've read, the camera angles and focus of the trailer doesn't lend itself very well to the actual movie, but that doesn't mean we couldn't see similar construction shots in the movie. It's all anyone's guess.
  9. FordSVT

    FordSVT Vice Admiral Admiral

    Nov 17, 2001
    Atlantic Canada
    The Enterprise isn't that big, especially the original. Even downtown San Francisco covers many square miles, check out the fan-pic earlier in the thread of the Enterprise in a dry dock, it's accurate. In fact, the comparison in length between the star ship and a modern super carrier is a pretty good one, just under 1000 ft (280-290 m). CVN-65 is actually 1100 feet long. You could put 10 Constellation class ships into just Golden Gate Park quite easily, and almost fly one clear under G.G. Bridge at low tide.

    Now the Galaxy class is a pretty big ship, you could basically fit the CVN-65 into one of it's engine nacelles. Twenty five times the volume of the original.
  10. TeutonicNights

    TeutonicNights Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 15, 2007
    Non-isotropic cosmos
    damn, those nacelles are HUGE.
  11. FlyingTigress

    FlyingTigress Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Dec 30, 2007
    Not to ruffle feathers, but is it possible that the apparent size of the nacelles in the 'classic E' shot is being influenced by the camera lenses that were used in the 1960's filming of physical models -- creating a distortion of the proportions of the nacelles...

    and that the nacelles of the new "E" are the same diameter?
  12. I Grok Spock

    I Grok Spock Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 10, 2000
    Tooling around in my Jupiter 8...
    Hmm...are they fattys or blunts? :confused:
  13. Roshi

    Roshi Admiral Admiral

    Nov 22, 2004
    ^nope, they're shrooms. Dilithium shrooms. :)
  14. Samurai8472

    Samurai8472 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 27, 2007
    I keep staring at it and thinking

    "this is what "Enterprise" should have had"

    I know the movie has a larger budget than "Enterprise" and it shows. The first shots of the NX-01 pale in comparison to what can be done on the big screen
  15. Cary L. Brown

    Cary L. Brown Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 14, 2005
    Austin, Texas
    In the gamma-adjusted images, it's clear that these nacelles DO resemble Gabe's. They aren't Gabe's however. The "guts" on the inside of the bussards are totally different, and the topside "window" on his nacelles aren't present.

    However, the "hoodie" on the top, over the bussards... that is virtually identical to his work. And since he is the FIRST person I ever saw who did that, I sure hope he gets at least a small credit for that.

    Honestly, I'm not really taken by these nacelles. I was hoping that, in the dark view we were able to see on the screen, that we were seeing them partially completed. But that's not really true... they're MOSTLY completed, it seems.

    Ah, well... the nacelles WERE designed to be virtually "hot-swappable" so as long as what we're seeing isn't intended to be the Enterprise as commanded by Kirk, I can deal with it. Hell, I have no major problem having this be the Enterprise as it was FIRST commanded by Pike. Or the Enterprise in an altered timeline... or whatever.

    It's easy to explain away that part, so far. The short form is this... someone took Gabe's "nacelle hoodie" and is using it, but those aren't Gabe's nacelles as he showed us here.

    That's also not Gabe's primary hull. Not even close. One thing that stood out about Gabe's primary hull, TOPSIDE at least, was that he was really pretty faithful to the original up there. What we see here is far LESS faithful than Gabe's work, up there, was. Granted, he did a lot of what I considered to be pointless "graphics art" stuff up there... color variations and so forth... but overall, it was VERY reminiscent of the original.

    I'm not thrilled by the replacement of the nomenclature or the font (go ahead, rip into me over that one... but I'm just having a hard time seeing what's being gained by changing that stuff). Of course, as has been pointed out, it's not hard to strip off paint and put new paint on, so perhaps the "FJ Font" is supposed to represent what was originally done, the "Machine Extended" font used in TOS was put on later (maybe the 1701 wasn't refit to "Cage/WNMHGB" status at SFNY, but at some other starbase, and they used different stencils there?). It's not hard to explain, just hard to justify... ya know?

    The A/B/C-deck superstructure is... troubling. Because if this is representative of what's going to be seen on-screen (and honestly, that's still not KNOWN, though it's definitely being implied here)... they've kept "general appearance" but abandoned FUNCTIONAL elements that we've all known for the past 40+ years. It's... troubling. Not because it will make for a bad movie, but rather... it begs the question of "why make this change?" I can't see how it would make for a better, or a worse, movie, in and of itself. Can any of you?

    SO... if things are being changed "just because we can" without any real logic behind them, THAT would concern me. We can all live with changes... and we all know that SOME changes are inevitable. But if they don't add something to the mix... if they're just being done because someone wants to change stuff to "make it my own," that doesn't bode well.

    I like how it looks, from a purely artistics standpoint. If this weren't clearly portrayed as the ENTERPRISE, I'd be perfectly happy with it. But I'm somewhat MORE concerned now than I was before, because it reflects changes that add nothing to the mix other than "well, we COULD, so we DID."
  16. ChristopherPike

    ChristopherPike Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 13, 2006
    Faith of the Heart ringtone. Check. :lol:

    Make that a much larger budget but at the end of the day it's just two hours. Enterprise still has some of the best television CGI, even compared to series running today.
  17. T'Cal

    T'Cal Commodore Commodore

    Sep 21, 2003
    The old girl never looked better. Going to see Cloverfield and the teaser this afternoon!
  18. RodneyMcKay

    RodneyMcKay Lieutenant

    Sep 17, 2007
    OK a question...

    Why is everyone so sure the construction scenes in the teaser will not be in the movie ? I keep reading this in this thread...

    Anyway the picture looks nice and i hope we see more soon.
  19. ManOnTheWave

    ManOnTheWave Vice Admiral Admiral

    Feb 10, 2005
    I think it's funny that the first pic revealed of the big E is A) under constuction, and B) a shot of the bridge exterior. We're all talking about it, but we still don't know what it looks like yet. Abrams and co. are going to play with us for the next year. This feels like it will be Batman 89 type hype.

    Looks good so far. :bolian: :thumbsup: :bolian:
  20. Mallory

    Mallory Moderator In Memoriam

    Jul 17, 2002
    Oregon, USA
    I like it! :thumbsup: