We HAVE to admit that? I don't. I think many Federation starship designs are very good looking. I think the refit Enterprise in TMP is one of the most beautiful ships ever in film.
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I just realised something, the Ent-J would look even better if there was no saucer on it. Could still fit a large crew by working like a TARDIS.
Besides the fact that ENT is cannon, is mentioned in 11, its continuity is seen in the uniforms on the Kelvin and the writers have confirmed ENT is preserved as it was. In the Abramsverse ENT is all we have of what people might call the "prime" worldline, but that is abstract anyway as ENT was the result of the worldline changes of Enterprise-E in First Contact.
Your not alone regarding refit/A.
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For sure. That's a beautiful ship.
No, it isn't. It's just a ship from a possible future. The real Enterprise-J may not look anything like that photoshopped pizza cutter (and God help us, it never will).
So when the Enterprise-E saves the Phoenix and then goes back into the future what stops it from emerging in the nuUniverse 24th Century instead?
Perfect Enterprise design for the time period. Sure the design looks odd, but Daniels says in the episode that Klingons are now members of the Federation (possibly others, Cardassians, Romulans, etc.). You can clearly see the injection of Klingon/Cardassian/Romulan culture and style being injected into the traditional fed design.
Will it ever happen now.My favorite enterprise.
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When it goes forward again it does end up once again in a new universe but the Ent-E of that new universe also goes back in time following the Borg so basically there's only 1 Ent-E in the future. Technically because of this there should be 4 timelines on my chart but it's that irrelevant I decided to keep it off to make things apear more simple.
No it's not.We can't. It's the only thing that's in current timeline!
No again.We can't. It's the only thing that's in current timeline!
Yea true that. The events in ENT are the only things we CAN be certain about in this new alternate timeline. Of course in the ENT timeline Zephrim's first warp flight had Riker and Jordi on board.
So really, this timeline still require the exsistance of the previous timeline.
Yes, thank-you.The Enterprise J was part of the timeline that led from Riker and LaForge being on Cochrane's test flight up to the quantum probability that Crewman Daniels was native to. That probability, as we saw, got whacked. Thus, no Enterprise-J as we (sorta) know it exists in that future of the Archer depicted on Enterprise. Much less the exit ramp of probabilities generated by Nero and the Narada entering the timeline in 2233.
However - form frequently follows function, so if there was a good functional reason for the -J to look like it does, it or something very similar will emerge at some point. And, Archer saw the ship, and most likely included its design in his reports to Starfleet Command, increasing the probability that that specific design will be examined for utility by Starfleet.
Not to mention that there are any number of probable futures for that version of Archer that, while not the exact one that Daniels came from, are only the barest measure of different from it.
I'd say if anything, the odds are good that we'll see a similar ship developed earlier than it originally was. If "originally" means anything in a discussion of multiple probability states.
Going meta for a moment, I'd also have to say it is more likely that we'll see something like it again, since future artists coming up with stuff for Trek will have it to look at, whereas they didn't before.
AGREED!
Nice ship!
Long before that I'm afraid.
I like it.
Nope. Nero erased the Borg coming back in time so Cochrane was alone on his trip just as he was the first time through. The NCC-1701 will also now never travel back to the 1969 in Tomorrow is Yesterday, 1968 to meet Gary Seven or to 1982's to save the whales. The NCC-1701-D will not go back to the 19th century to leave behind Data's head. The timeline is irrevocably changed by Nero's trip. The Prime timeline is erased and even if it could somehow still exist in a parallel universe, it could not affect this new one ever again. Didn't anybody watch Primer?This is how I see it:
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^ How are you all so sure that there was a timeline where Cochrane *didn't* make his flight with the assistance of Riker and Geordi? For all we know, it always happened that way - a classic predestination paradox.
I'd like to add my two quatloos in and also say the TMP 1701 & 1701-A are the best looking Enterprises.
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I saw the new Matchbox Enterprise's at Walmart about a half-hour ago, and the first thing I said was, "Ooh, pretty."
I had to try really hard not to buy it.
We hate those.
I believe that the Shatnerverse MU novels (which I realize are probably the furthest thing from "canon" that we have out there) addressed this. Something about a lake on the moon being called Lake Sloane (after Lily) in one reality and the same lake being called Lake Riker in the other reality.
But ya know, it's the Shatnerverse, so it doesn't really count.
I only read the first two pages of this thread, but people STILL seem to be missing the point that Trek XI is in an ALTERNATE REALITY/TIMELINE/WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, and the original timeline is still there. Everything that happened in ENT, TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and the first 10 movies ALL STILL HAPPENED, and things continue to happen in that timeline.
Again. TREK XI = Alternate reality. What happens in this new Trek has no bearing whatsoever on how history unfolded in the original timeline.
they even say it's an alternate reality in Trek XI, for bejeebus sake. LOL.
Again. TREK XI = Alternate reality. What happens in this new Trek has no bearing whatsoever on how history unfolded in the original timeline.
they even say it's an alternate reality in Trek XI, for bejeebus sake. LOL.
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They aren't missing anything. They are just too stubborn to accept it.
Those warp nacelles are way too small to exist in this new universe.
Will it ever happen now.
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I just realised something, the Ent-J would look even better if there was no saucer on it. Could still fit a large crew by working like a TARDIS.
Didn't someone do some artwork of it in this configuration before? I can't recall if it was a member here or someone who worked on the show, but I definitely remember seeing a photoshopped pic of it like this before.
I like the version with the saucer too, but I think that this would be a pretty cool separating section from the saucer of the ship.
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