He didn't see the ship, he briefly saw a schematic of some kind, a corridor and perhaps a piece of the underside of the saucer.
Enterprise J
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I have no idea what this means.
But seriously the Ent J looks like a doodle of the Ent A or something. Its frigging ugly
Your face; tears dry your skin out.
Anyway, the Ent A could always be a doodle of the Ent J. Perhaps they only had a fuzzy picture of the Ent J to go on when they designed the monstrosity.
He saw the overall shape, and he did help design and build the NX class. Not as much as Trip or his father, but still, he has enough knowledge to look at that schematic and think, "Interesting shape. I wonder why. Okay, that's there, that's there, I don't know what the hell that is, and there's actually a head directly adjacent to the bridge, which is a great idea. Okay, we're moving on, I'll think on what I've seen some more, later. Maybe this shape is worth playing with...."
That logic is sound.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
So basically the temporal cold war in ENT and future guy and Daniels and the Ent-J was all from the timeline we've had all these years where the Kelvin wasn't destroyed so basically now the timeline has changed thanks to Nero the future is different therefore the Temporal cold war must be either different or never happen therefore what happened in ENT cannot be the same.
So the timeline isn't different from when the Kelvin was destroyed it's different because the ENT temporal cold war must be different.
Get what I mean?
So the timeline isn't different from when the Kelvin was destroyed it's different because the ENT temporal cold war must be different.
Get what I mean?
I do, despite the painful run-on sentences, but I don't think you're right. It's a spiral, not a loop. After all, if the quantum reality that Nero came from now no longer exists what-so-ever, then where did he come from? Since there'd be nowhere for him to come from, he wouldn't exist. Therefore, he wouldn't have changed the timeline, and he would exist. But then, he'd have come back and changed the timeline, and he wouldn't exist. And so on. It would be an unsolvable paradox. But if one assumes a branching tree model of quantum realities, and a spiral pattern that this situation has created through it on several branches, then there's no problem.
Norrin Radd
Vice Admiral
Nice ship!
Nice ship!
"Weeeee I'm a pizza slicer! Weeee!"
The Enterprise-J is what happens when you photoshop the NX-01 up the wahzoo when you don't have the budget or time to render a full CGI model of a ship for an episode.
There is no guarantee that this ship will ever come into existence because the future is never fixed in stone. It's fluid, and changes frequently. "All Good Things...", "The Visitor," "Endgame," are all possible Trek futures that never came to pass for various reasons. There is no reason to suggest that this won't be the case either.
Ignoring the non-canon Ships of the Line Calendar, for all intents and purposes, this ship was the NX-01-J Enterprise and came from only one of many possible futures...like Star Trek XI.
There is no guarantee that this ship will ever come into existence because the future is never fixed in stone. It's fluid, and changes frequently. "All Good Things...", "The Visitor," "Endgame," are all possible Trek futures that never came to pass for various reasons. There is no reason to suggest that this won't be the case either.
Ignoring the non-canon Ships of the Line Calendar, for all intents and purposes, this ship was the NX-01-J Enterprise and came from only one of many possible futures...like Star Trek XI.
Will it ever happen now.My favorite enterprise.
Good riddance! By far the worst looking of any "Enterprise" that has been portrayed on-screen.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Good riddance! By far the worst looking of any "Enterprise" that has been portrayed on-screen.
I like it, but technically that image is fan made. The only canon image of the Ent-J we see is a distant blurry schematic on a wall in an ENT episode.
The writers have said as far as destiny goes, Picard will still end up as Captain/Enterprise-D etc. Though I have no idea what the fuck the Enterprise-J is, is that some Enterprise crap? I like to think that the prophets still see Sisko's path, and Picard has the same destiny as Kirk did in this film. But apart from that, I can live without everything else. The Trek canon was screwed with Voyager.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Where and when was this said?
The timeline is so incredibly altered there's no way the same sperm and eggs are gunna meet at the same time in the future. All it takes is one ancestor of Picards to change what they're doing one day and go check out that big drill weapon of Neros and everything has changed.
I don't want the same Ent-D in this timeline and I don't want Picard. It's a reboot and everything should be different.
You don't reboot an entire franchise and then turn around and say "but Picard still becomes Captain of the Ent-D". Why reboot it just to say everythings going to happen the same. It's impossible in such a drastically altered timeline for Picard to ever even be born.
Can't remember, but they were asked how Kirk becomes Captain again if the timeline has been changed so much - they talk about the theme of destiny, and that if you want a technobabble the "time stream" is correcting itself. Think it was on the VH1 website. I don't see why if Kirk still becomes Captain then Picard can't.
They're not going to address it, so its a moot point but thats what I like to think. You can talk about the butterfly effect, but this reality could be like the mirror universe - I mean the mirror universe shouldn't have had the entire crew of DS9 coming together, but they did.
They're not going to address it, so its a moot point but thats what I like to think. You can talk about the butterfly effect, but this reality could be like the mirror universe - I mean the mirror universe shouldn't have had the entire crew of DS9 coming together, but they did.
On the flipside of that, Picard's Great Great Grandaddy COULD end up taking shore leave at a different time he was going too, but people who attract each other, well, ya know, they attract each other. Even though key events in the lives of people are the same, people who share even the briefest of moments together still have the chance of hitting it off and consumating a relationship.
As for the whole Picard/Ent-D thing, The crewsome Twosome said something like that because Kirk and Spock played such a pivotal role in events throughout time in the original timeline, that "fate" (Or extemely theoretical quantum mechanics) says that more likely than not, they are destined to take part in the same pivotal (So im guessing that includes The Guardian, Tomorrow is Yesterday and Save the Whales - Although other things such as V'Ger and equally life changing moments) time travel and universe altering events.
So rather than doing straight lines toward said events in this timeline, theyre gonna follow a curve were they may encounter some of the same events, but are also more likely to discover new things which their past selves did not, hence the whole point of this film to reboot the franchise without rebooting it in the strictest sense.
Regardless of events, some things are just meant to be. It was just as unlikely for this entire crew to get together in these conditions but they still did. That's karma. They do have to take in consideration the drastic changes made, especially for Vulcan characters, but there's no reason to say future events cannot happen in a similar fashion.
The image was made by Doug Drexler.Good riddance! By far the worst looking of any "Enterprise" that has been portrayed on-screen.
I like it, but technically that image is fan made. The only canon image of the Ent-J we see is a distant blurry schematic on a wall in an ENT episode.
Indeed. I'm just glad this underside didn't make the cut; it's horrible. I love the thing itself, though. Especially the idea of a floating city in space.The image was made by Doug Drexler.Good riddance! By far the worst looking of any "Enterprise" that has been portrayed on-screen.
I like it, but technically that image is fan made. The only canon image of the Ent-J we see is a distant blurry schematic on a wall in an ENT episode.
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