Enterprise is a better show than Discovery

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by bobjones, Sep 12, 2022.

  1. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

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    Discovery has many problems, but it also has a great core cast and new ideas of its own.

    Enterprise was Voyager lite for the first two years and didn't have a single great episode until mid season 3.

    Disovery oscillates between awesome, unique and terrible, whereas Enterprise was stuck as an imitation of itself desperate to plug the hole in the ratings dam that started in 1995. Trying transparent stunts to broaden the audience ignoring that only the devoted niche still gave a shit.

    Discovery has, at the very least, correctly identified the audience that gives a shit.
     
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  2. Toril Toran

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    I just really wish Enterprise had been given more time to get better. I think it could have been at least a good show (although I admit probably not great).
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    Largely because it made more economic sense for them to, and even then, this still didn't go over too well with others with many shitting bricks over the fact the Klingons had forehead ridges as opposed to looking like TOS Klingons. But of course, you can't please everyone as proven when Enterprise did do the storyline explaining the forehead ridges more people shit bricks over them actually acknowledging that TOS Klingons were different than the others.
    Pointless to engage in such a hypothetical since a show like Disco could not have happened in 2001. Remember, Berman originally had intended Enterprise to be a much different and serialized show, which UPN rejected saying "that's not Star Trek, we want Star Trek" resulting in the TNG/Voyager Lite show we ended up getting. And even then, Berman and Braga still had an uphill battle to fight to prevent the shipboard boyband from being a thing, and by not doing that they suffered a dramatic slash in the show's budget. As it is, the serialized third season only happened as a result of the sagging ratings at the end of the second season and the popularity of 24.
    You keep saying that, but how much time does a show need to become good? Shows like Nu BSG and Farscape are often held up as examples of sci-fi masterpieces, and they only lasted four seasons, with fewer episodes than Enterprise. Hell, the old chestnut of the Berman era shows is that they didn't become good until the third season, so with four seasons, Enterprise definitely had time to prove itself by that metric. The bottom line is if Enterprise couldn't get its shit together in four seasons, an extra three wouldn't have made a difference.
     
  4. FederationHistorian

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    It would also mean that by today’s standard, ENT’s story is complete. Since that would cover the entire decade leading to the birth of the Federation.
     
  5. fireproof78

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    Indeed. If it didn't get good after four I'm not inclined towards thinking 7 seasons is somehow it's magical.
     
  6. Tuskin38

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    It did get good with 4, but it was far too late.
     
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  7. F. King Daniel

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    Season 3 was peak Enterprise, season 2 was peak Discovery. IMHO. YMMV.
     
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  8. Greg Cox

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    Bottom line: DISCO is basically the show I wanted ENTERPRISE to be. A fresh, twenty-first-century take on STAR TREK that didn't feel like yet another cozy retread of TNG, complete with 90s-era pacing and directing.
     
  9. StarMan

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    Yeah. ENT S4 had its moments, but S3's high points exceeded anything S4 delivered.

    As for Discovery, season 1 was troubled, but ambitious. It peaked midway thru the Mirror Universe arc, until Lorca devolved into moustache-twirling villain. Season 2 started with a noticeably lighter tone and more "humor", but I'll admit the mystery box still held my interest. If Memory Serves was the clear highpoint and where I thought the show had finally turned a corner.

    I think it was Klingon time crystal or some junk after that. Unfortunately, I haven't been much of a fan since. I liked the darker, more mature effort in season 1 and wish they'd stayed the course.

    Discovery wins on (initial) ambition. Enterprise was the last gasp of creative team that were exhausted. They should have taken a break after Voyager, reassessed the landscape and gone from there. Unfortunately, the corporate imperative won out and they ended up killing Trek on the small screen for over a decade.
     
  10. somebuddyX

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    I keep expecting someone to say either mirror Lorca or regular Lorca pops up at the end of an SNW episode.
     
  11. Lord Garth

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    I don't think that's going to happen. SNW will only reference the first two seasons of DSC in the broadest strokes. Things like there was a war with the Klingons, Discovery disappeared into the future... Things that can be summed up in a sentence.
     
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  12. F. King Daniel

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    Dude, they spent the whole first season flashing back to Pike choosing his fate on Boreth. His entire arc spins off of one episode of Discovery.
     
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  13. Lord Garth

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    "Klingon monks showed me I'll meet a horrible fate, seven years from now, while saving Starfleet Cadets."

    Boom! :devil: