ENTERPRISE design in the new film? (How many changes?)
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Well since TOS Remastered and CBS/Paramount went through a lot of publicity and money updating the original show's effects and ships to look more or less like we always assumed they did and are used to, I don't imagine the "new" Enterprise/NCC-1701 in the movie will look much different from the TOS-R Enterprise in the new remastered effects...if at all.
I wouldn't say "much" closer - no more than about 6" - 8", at most. It was elevated, but as you can see in these shots, it's only pushed back slightly in the series:
"The Cage"
"Charlie X"
Star Trek the TV series and Star Trek the Movie are being run by entirely separate organizations and creative teams. There is no way to draw a link between TOS-R and the new Trek movie, IMHO.
In the final estimation, it really doesn't matter what the Enterprise looks like. Those that care enough to stay home if things don't go their way are small enough in number to safely ignore.
But should they get Majel Barrett or Peter Cullen for the voice?
It's really simple... if the 1701 is in this film, it should have detailing appropriate to the timeframe (TOS? WNMHGB? Cage? Earlier?) and should otherwise look like this in terms of quality, geometry, and rendering:
Unfortunately, not. There are differences... which actually feel a bit sloppy in some ways. For instance, look closely at the thickness of the saucer edge and compare it to the original.gastrof said:
Ummm...
The DS9 episode used a half-sized model based on the original 11 foot one now at the Smithsonian. Except for size, it was IDENTICAL.
Nobody but us nutcases notice that level of "offset" but it wasn't, as you say, a PERFECT replica. It had flaws. But it was fine for what it was, and the flaws didn't bug me at all... I still went "OOO.... Aaaaaa...." when I saw her.
That model was really a near-perfect "update." It didn't add all sorts of nerny-greeblie detail... but it "polished" things and gave us (primarily in terms of surface texture) a higher degree of detail than we'd seen before. You can see this when you see some of the lightplay in a few scenes... the original model didn't have that level of surface detail. Yet, it was still the same ship.
When most of us say we want to see the original ship, that's what we mean... the original design but with (as I like to say) a "higher level of polish." As if both models (old and new) are really the best that could be done... either in the 1960s or today... to replicate some actual ship that is far more "real" than either representation is.
The geometry and details as seen in the 1960s would be limited by production budget and so forth... but they definitely had all the features there. So changing shapes, adding new features, etc... that would be a violation of the perspective I'm suggesting.
I keep noticing that people who grew up with the new stuff want the old ships to look like the new ships. That's kind of like saying that you could do a Revolutionary War era movie but "update it" to include gangsta rap.
I'm HOPING they don't do an entire reboot and make the Enterprise look completely different from scratch. Resetting the Bond and Batman franchises with all-new actors and equipment is one thing, and even aspects of THOSE were dodgy and irritating. But TREK is far too old and has had more than 700 TV episodes, cartoons and feature films to establish what the NCC-1701 and other ships like her looked like.
I'm betting they're going to be 100% faithful to the iconic exterior but the interior will have more in common with the NX-01 set, with much more of a colour palette than just blues and silvers.
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In other words, a more expensive and "functional" version of the rebuilt USS Defiant set from "IaMD(ENT)"...with actual flatscreen computer monitors to show the blinking indicator lights and actual readouts and changing displays on the overhead screens above each station. That would be awesome to see.
In other words, a more expensive and "functional" version of the rebuilt USS Defiant set from "IaMD(ENT)"...with actual flatscreen computer monitors to show the blinking indicator lights and actual readouts and changing displays on the overhead screens above each station. That would be awesome to see.
^ I agree with that and CP's post above it.
There are some things from the interior that you can accept from a TV show made in the 60s. For a movie in '08, however, there will have to be updates in order for me to suspend belief.
Otherwise, I'm looking at something that doesn't look any more advanced than technology we have today, and sometimes even antiquated.
There are some things from the interior that you can accept from a TV show made in the 60s. For a movie in '08, however, there will have to be updates in order for me to suspend belief.
Otherwise, I'm looking at something that doesn't look any more advanced than technology we have today, and sometimes even antiquated.
Amen, brother...
I think that is what is really lost on the Enterprise's after D (and I really don't like the D much either) Everything is so squashed and streamlined the ships are more and more looking like some weird hi-tech fish.
A good example is the P-51 Mustang (or Spitfire) fighter from WWII. Those planes looked graceful, almost feminine but at the same time you knew you wouldn't want to screw with them. The Enterprise should always look like that. Clean, smooth, sleek without being 'sharky' or industrial - the antithesis of a Star Wars Star Destroyer.
I should get the same tingle Kirk did in the shuttlepod when he saw the refitted Enterprise from the front for the first time in ST-TMP.
ancient said:
Obviously it'll be recognizable. I doubt it'll be changed too much aside from greater detail.
They might add a bright red flaming exhaust vent and smoke trail to make it more realistic.
and to complete it a "we break for no one" sign on the back oh and the \S/ will be smaller whoops wrong movie
Maybe now you'll actually be able to see the 3-D holographic images and data inside Spock's console viewer. ENTERPRISE gave us one brief, similar look inside T'Pol's on the more primitive NX-01 a century earlier so there's no reason why we can't see after all these decades what Spock sees when he peers into that thing.
I've long since let go of the mindset that Trek cannon is like God's word. If it's a good story and is in keeping with the original spirit of Trek, TPTB can do whatever they like. A decade of Voyager, Enterprise, and TNG movies have left me pretty much uncaring about anything else. Just please, for the love of all that is holy, tell a story that isn't going to leave me trying to burn the theater down.
