Spoilers ENT: To Brave the Storm by Michael A. Martin Review Thread

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Enterprise: The Romulan War: To Brave the Storm review thread

^ I haven't read this latest novel, but as of the end of the last one:

Spoiler: Beneath the Raptor's Wing

All of the NXes have been destroyed except Enterprise NX-01 and Endeavour NX-06.

 

[Chris McCarver]

Re: Enterprise: The Romulan War: To Brave the Storm review thread

How many of their NX Class ships does Starfleet actually lose by the end of the war?

Spoiler: To Brave the Storm

IIRC, Endeavour isn't mentioned at all in the second book, so unless it was destroyed, the four that were lost in "Beneath the Raptor's Wing" were the only four that were. If Endeavour was destroyed, that'd up the number to five and leave Enterprise the only one to survive the war.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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Something that is bugging me about the NXes:

Spoiler: NX

One of them, I think it was NX-03, was commanded by Captain Roy Dunsel. He makes a heroic sacrifice by ramming his ship into a Romulan vessel (to prevent it from attacking Andor), in the first Romulan War novel. So why, decades later, is Dunsel's name considered slang for a piece of equipment that serves no useful purpose?

 

[JB2005]

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4 - Atlantis, Columbia, Discovery and Endeavour IIRC...

 

[F. King Daniel]

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How many of their NX Class ships does Starfleet actually lose by the end of the war?

Spoiler: To Brave the Storm

IIRC, Endeavour isn't mentioned at all in the second book, so unless it was destroyed, the four that were lost in "Beneath the Raptor's Wing" were the only four that were. If Endeavour was destroyed, that'd up the number to five and leave Enterprise the only one to survive the war.

The NX-07 Intrepid features heavily in "Indistinguishable From Magic", set partly in 2262.

 

[Chris McCarver]

Re: Enterprise: The Romulan War: To Brave the Storm review thread

How many of their NX Class ships does Starfleet actually lose by the end of the war?

Spoiler: To Brave the Storm

IIRC, Endeavour isn't mentioned at all in the second book, so unless it was destroyed, the four that were lost in "Beneath the Raptor's Wing" were the only four that were. If Endeavour was destroyed, that'd up the number to five and leave Enterprise the only one to survive the war.

The NX-07 Intrepid features heavily in "Indistinguishable From Magic", set partly in 2262.

Yeah, I was familiar with Intrepid (and happy that that the class didn't become a casualty of the war)... I presumed that it was constructed after the war though, since they halted NX production after Endeavour, and (as evidenced by the existence of Intrepid) that production resumed after the war.

 

[SicOne]

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Wasn't it mentioned in a book that there were 13 NX-class ships constructed?

 

[Chris McCarver]

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Wasn't it mentioned in a book that there were 13 NX-class ships constructed?

Picard says in "Indistinguishable from Magic" that "fifteen or sixteen" were constructed before the class was finally retired.

 

[Relayer1]

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Something that is bugging me about the NXes:

Spoiler: NX

One of them, I think it was NX-03, was commanded by Captain Roy Dunsel. He makes a heroic sacrifice by ramming his ship into a Romulan vessel (to prevent it from attacking Andor), in the first Romulan War novel. So why, decades later, is Dunsel's name considered slang for a piece of equipment that serves no useful purpose?

Well, lets face it - the ship wasn't good for much after that was it ?

 

[Ronald Held]

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Perhaps a good question might be why the NX-01 was not repaired and redesignated as a UPF Starfleet ship?

 

[Kemaiku]

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Spoiler: Spoiler

In the first Romulan War book we see the NX-03 through NX-06 lost in short order. Challenger is taken over while standing still and self destructs, the ship never even fired a shot, she was the most useless of the lot.

Discovery is lost breaking up in the atmosphere of the planet its orbiting and Travis narrowly escapes dying on her.

Atlantis is severely damaged by a Bird of Prey she nearly rams, using her self destruct to take the BoP with her.

Endevour I can't remember what happens to her but her loss in implied more than described, but she is definitely lost.

Columbia is mentioned disappearing in the same star system she take damage in the Destiny trilogy tying into those novels.

The Enterprise spends the remainder of the war being the only NX ship and getting the living shit pounded out of her constantly for years, she undergoes a supposed massive refit in book two at Earth only to be battered saving Earth from a Romulan attack, and finally at the final battle of Cheron taking significant damage. Shes far too badly battered to remain in service at all and is ordered home to be scrapped at the battles end already.

As of August 2161 no NX ships are in service or space worthy, the Intrepid class Intrepid in the story is likely in as bad shape and scrapped too, with the NX-07 started and finished after the war altogether and possibly a warp 7 new generation NX inside.

So yup, Intrepid onwards marks a new life for the class, but the first 6, not so much.

 

[ProwlAlpha]

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My opening thoughts are what is with the page format? I compared it it to Vanguard's newest entry and the indents on the new Enterprise book are significantly larger. That is an very annoying tactic, the publisher did the same thing to the book, Inception.

 

[Sci]

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Finally got my hands on a copy. Skimmed through the highlights. Seemed like an enjoyable book that could have been better had it been longer, or had there been another book.

My only other thought, being the poli-sci geek I am:

Why did the Special Representative of the Confederated Martian Colonies, a sovereign and independent state, sign the Federation Charter when the CMC was not one of the founding Federation Members?

The only thing I can think is that he signed as a non-signatory witness or something.

 

[Kemaiku]

Re: Enterprise: The Romulan War: To Brave the Storm review thread

Finally got my hands on a copy. Skimmed through the highlights. Seemed like an enjoyable book that could have been better had it been longer, or had there been another book.

My only other thought, being the poli-sci geek I am:

Why did the Special Representative of the Confederated Martian Colonies, a sovereign and independent state, sign the Federation Charter when the CMC was not one of the founding Federation Members?

The only thing I can think is that he signed as a non-signatory witness or something.

They probably witnessed the document and thereby were granted some protectorate status with representation on the Council but not necessarily any voting on Federation matters.

 

[Sci]

Re: Enterprise: The Romulan War: To Brave the Storm review thread

Finally got my hands on a copy. Skimmed through the highlights. Seemed like an enjoyable book that could have been better had it been longer, or had there been another book.

My only other thought, being the poli-sci geek I am:

Why did the Special Representative of the Confederated Martian Colonies, a sovereign and independent state, sign the Federation Charter when the CMC was not one of the founding Federation Members?

The only thing I can think is that he signed as a non-signatory witness or something.

They probably witnessed the document and thereby were granted some protectorate status with representation on the Council but not necessarily any voting on Federation matters.

That's basically colonial status, like what Puerto Rico has with the U.S. I'd certainly hope the Federation doesn't embrace that kind of imperialist nonsense.

 

[Christopher]

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I think that ship has long since sailed. The Federation has always been portrayed as a benevolent imperialist state with plenty of colonies and protectorates.

 

[Sci]

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I think that ship has long since sailed. The Federation has always been portrayed as a benevolent imperialist state with plenty of colonies and protectorates.

Well, the sense that I always got was that its colonies were settlements created on uninhabited worlds by the Federation, with Federation citizens forming the new colony's populace, not oppressing or displacing any native peoples -- and with the colonies themselves being an intermediate step towards the formation of a new Federation Member. Deneva and Cestus being examples of colonies that became full Members in their own rights, for instance.

As for protectorates -- that's a bit different. A protectorate is still a sovereign state, it's merely one that a more powerful state has agreed to defend from external threats. They don't get to send representatives to the more powerful state's legislature, because they aren't in any way part of that more powerful state. They still have absolute sovereignty over their own affairs, and can terminate the relationship at any point. So that doesn't equate to Federation imperialism at all.

 

[Kemaiku]

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Thats why I prefer to think that the Federation offers a protectorate programme similar to the Asgard and otherwise leaves the day to day operations and sovereignty of the local governments to themselves.

 

[JD]

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Wasn't that pretty much what they were doing with the Evora in Insurrection and what Bajor was during DS9's TV run?

 

[Sci]

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Wasn't that pretty much what they were doing with the Evora in Insurrection and what Bajor was during DS9's TV run?

Pretty much. At least as far as Bajor goes, it remained a sovereign world, capable of terminating its relationship with the UFP at any point, but the Federation was committed to defending Bajor. But in no way did the Federation claim Bajor as its own territory, nor was there ever any indication of Bajor having a "non-voting member" on the Federation Council (unlike Puerto Rico's relationship with the U.S., where P.R. is U.S. territory, but it doesn't have say real voice in Congress or presidential elections, just a non-voting Resident Commissioner). (Well, until Bajor was formally accepted as a Federation Member, of course.) Presumably, the same is true of the Evora.