ENT Forum Mediation Thread--Please Participate!!!

[tafkats]

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Posted by newbie:
Since the mods frequently refuse to respond to notices or even PM, and since they apply double standards, this is really all a complete waste of time, and completely hypocritical to boot. My fault for falling for it.

On what are you basing the assertion that they frequently ignore "notify mod" clicks and PMs? How do you know that they don't look at a notive, read the post it's in reference to, and decide no action is needed?

I've only PM'd the forum mods about a problem once, but that time, I think all of them replied (the second and third to say that the first had already taken care of it)...

 

[Miss Thang]

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How 'bout holding the 'Shipper Peace Accords? I'm getting tired of people sniping back and forth about who's better, Trip or Archer. Not fun, IMHO.

Love,
Richard Holbrooke

 

[John Sullivan]

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Posted by Dennis Bailey:
Samuel T. Cogley is actually one of the most real folks who hangs around these parts -- a guy with a consistent code of behavior and integrity, who while he may adopt a fictional personna never claims to be things IRL that he is not.

I'll have to trust you on that one. He sure comes across as a brilliant lawyer, doesn't he? But again, (and I am NOT saying he is a liar) ... imagine how difficult this situation has now become. Someone (not me) says "prove it." What has then happened, although almost likely 100% true, is that someone has managed to attack the credibility of Sam Cogley, leaving doubt in the public mind, and making it his burden of proof to prove a negative wrong. THAT is where we have the problem. BUT FOR THE RECORD, I must trust you and do trust you when you say these things. Inadmissable heresay, and irrelevant. My mistake in the past is making irrelevant things relevant, and here's why I say this:

This isn't necessarily as true of all of us who use our own names as we would like the simple practice of doing so to imply.

On the heels of my post, if we were on Capella 4 you would have just called me a liar. Since we are on Earth, I'll just assume that the comment was accidental.

But here's the distinction. If a cartoon character would say that Dick Tracey, Steve Austin, or any other cartoon character has a certain set of negatives, no real family is hurt, no real feelings SHOULD be hurt, and only a mask is scratched (or a bionic arm). I'm not saying it's right, but it is just not IRL something that is going to affect that person's families, reputation, integrity, honor, manhood (if appropriate) ... etc. Sure, if someone hiding behind a mask gets feelings hurt, it's sad but just not the same as saying things about a real person.

Again, IT'S MY FAULT. I am the king of irrelevant sidebars, and I take full responsibility for that, making no attempt to hide behind a mask, and making no claims I can't back up. But, 99% of the time, it was all irrelevant to the discussion, which still, makes it my fault.

By the way, (deleted) is where the link is. On the subject of irrelevancy, the name of the LIBERTY 72 project is changing. I need a good trademark and intellectual property lawyer, so have Sam Cogley write me, IF he is a lawyer (that is a joke - of course he is, but do you see how easy this is to slam people unfairly?) - NO, I'm not taking the Johnny Come Lately LIBERTY ENTERPRISES that is suddenly a real corporation to court. OF COURSE I could, but that's not me.

It's easy to call someone a liar, Mr. Bailey. Even on Capella 4. It's harder to prove it, and I think the burden of proof should be on the person making the accusiation.

BUT in most cases, it's just chatter on the internet that doesn't affect real life, just the feelings of the person behind the mask. But as always, if I have unduly offended anyone, I do indeed apologize.

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Edited To Add: Marketing mentions that I have plugged a commercial product in the link - against board rules, so I withdrawl that link, although anyone who did see it may e-mail me or marketing and get their links posted for free for the remainder of 2003. Sorry about that. In the real world, most mistakes are expensive. The site is not supposed to be going commercial until the 15th, but apparently some things have already slipped in there. Edited#2 - Marketing wants me to clarify - links SUBMITTED before December 31st will stay up forver, or until we decide to drop them, whichever comes first, at no cost and for no obligation to the submitter for anything that remains after January 1st - Marketing is NOT a lawyer, just a Paralegal.)

 

[Top41]

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^John, please, this isn't the place to discuss Sam. The first post specifically states that personal issues between posters shouldn't be brought in here, and that we shouldn't be naming names here. That's essential for peace in this thread. Thanks in advance. Thanks for the apology in the above post as well.

Posted by Miss Thang:
How 'bout holding the 'Shipper Peace Accords? I'm getting tired of people sniping back and forth about who's better, Trip or Archer. Not fun, IMHO.

Love,
Richard Holbrooke

LOL. I would love this, too. So, 'shippers, what do you say? Can we table the Archer vs. Trip sniping? The fellows themselves probably wouldn't like it, since they're best friends and all.

 

[John Sullivan]

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Posted by Top41:
^John, please, this isn't the place to discuss Sam.

Yes sir. I would like to add that it was all just hypothetical talk, as everyone (as Sam would say first) knows that he is my favorite poster and I was only using him in the discussion because I'm even getting a little tired of using the example of putting out the trial balloon of "Rick Sternbach is a child molester" as the token unfair totally off-base unwarranted accusiation used only as the hypothetical to illustrate how unfair it has been the things that have been said to me or about me. It was just an illustration that should be dismissed for being ridiculous - while I shudder that attacks on me personally are met with more tolerance.

Yes, Sam Cogley is the best poster here. I'm not supposed to say that, as I'm not supposed to talk about other posters (or even be here), but I miss his posts, and hope to see him back, as a lurker of course as I'm still waiting for the joyful day that my own John Sullivan name is deleted.

 

[Top41]

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Posted by John Sullivan:
the hypothetical to illustrate how unfair it has been the things that have been said to me or about me. It was just an illustration that should be dismissed for being ridiculous - while I shudder that attacks on me personally are met with more tolerance.

John, a warning was issued in that case, so I don't think it's entirely accurate to imply that it was glossed over or not dealt with.

I'm still waiting for the joyful day that my own John Sullivan name is deleted.

If you really and truly want your account locked, please PM me and/or Lisa (preferably both). But please, let's keep this thread on topic, ok? Thanks.

***

I'd love to hear some ideas on how to decrease 'shipper tensions. With the latest spoilers being what they are, these tensions have already flared up and are bound to do so even more as we get closer to the infamous episode 15 airdate.

 

[John Sullivan]

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^

No offense, but WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

As many will verify, and as the TNZ will verify, I am BEGGING for my account to not be locked, but entirely deleted. It is the constant undertone of strings for more than 2 or 3 weeks now. My only appearances here have been to test the log-in's.

The reason I have not simply decided to follow Campe98's advice and just let the "prune" system delete me "in a year or so" is because of the large number of SubSeven hits I get on the TREK BBS board. I am not certain that my password has not been sniffed, and I would hate to be responsible for anyone who has successfully used the CONSTANT Trojan SubSeven attacks while visitng this board.

To this date, (and I am working with Symantec on this) I must STILL drop the firewall as PROPERLY configured to post. Anyone who is able to post with a firewall on has their configured misconfigured to allow sniffers.

JUST TODAY ... here are the IP Addresses and ports used while visiting the TREK BBS:

12.225.21.46 - 1572 (YES, AT&T, I am on them about this)
80.181.48.227 - 4446
217.226.210.4 - 1987
64.121.36.36 - 3481
211.36.240.205- 2230


Long story short? Would be great to just have all of my posts deleted as well. Not feasible? That's the breaks.

FOR THE RECORD Lisa, Tops, T'Bonz, LC, Digits ... if you all haven't figured it out yet, YES! Please delete John Sullivan.

YES I AM SERIOUS - Don't LOCK me - DELETE ME.

I've spent almost $1,000 in attorney fees in the last month because of you all. The "warning" was not enough, although I did decide to drop the case.

Honestly, how many "good-bye" messages must I send before I am FINALLY joyfully able to see "No username John Sullivan exists on this forum?" That way I won't be blamed for anything that may appear here after someone hacks into your system to drop the blocks, or after someone else decides to be me. I want to only be responsible for things I have to say.

Make it so, Top 41.

PLEASE. I want to be wherever Sam Cogley might be nowadays.

In the history books.
Not in the news, and not under attack.

 

[Top41]

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^OK, John, if you're sure. Take care of yourself. If you change your mind, send an e-mail to Lisa or myself.

Now...let's get this thread back on topic.

 

[Tai]

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I apologize for not reading the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been stated before, I just want to participate cause, well it says... "please participate".


I can't exactly explain why I feel as strongly about Star Trek as I do. I consider myself a very well rounded, well adjusted, intelligent human being. I have many diverse interests, but none are quite so obsessive as my interest in Star Trek (Barring possibly the NFL). I am a fan, a 'fanatic' of the show. If it were anything else, I'd probably consider it very abnormal. But in this case I know there are many, many people that feel the same way. It's inexplicable--it's just a TV show. Nevertheless, I am the way I am, and a lot of other people are the same way. It's just an accepted part of the phenomenon.

Given this-- people's feelings on the direction of the franchise creatively and their expectations of the airing episodes will undoubtably be passionate. It may be silly, it may just be a TV show, but it's important to us. We CARE about it. I've grown up with it. Some (old) people have lived 37 years with it. --Wow. It's not unreasonable for the fanbase to be passionate about the show.

Enterprise deserves criticism. Nothing is above criticism. There are many who think it's perfect just the way it is, but many as well who believe it has a lot of problems, some of which are fundamental.

I've seen every episode so far, and I think the show is good. I'll watch it for as long as it's on the air. But frankly, the show has a lot of flaws, some of which are being addressed, some of which aren't.

It's alright to criticize the show, or a particular episode so long as you provide rationale. But more importantly... and I guess after all that longwindedness, this is my point:

It is a fact that the producers, writers and crew of the show visit this BBS, and read our posts. We as fans have an opportunity to give them DIRECT input as to what we like and dislike about the show, the things we want changed, and the things we'd like to see in the future. Of course it's up to them to decide what input they like and will accept.

I've seen this past season, our concerns being addressed. And I'd go as far to say that with certain writers, our suggestions here, on this very BBS, have influenced certain episodes.

In other words, they are listening to us.

I think therefore, it serves our best interests, as a fan community to make our criticism of the show as constructive as possible. This message board can act as a type of dialogue between ourselves and the creative staff of the show.

I'm sure they love to hear "This episode was great! So and so is a genius!" and I'm sure it hurts their feelings when we say, "So and so is a mindless hack that has a hot wife."

But beyond that, we're smart people here. We know what we want to see. We want to see something that's exciting, that intrigues us, something suspenseful. We like surprises and twists--so long as they make sense. We like consistency and continuity... well executed storylines, things that tie together, characters that grow and learn--that change based on the experiences that we witness.

We enjoy the Star Trek Universe and want to see that its legacy is honored. Moreover, we want to see it improving.

I think the best way to accomplish that is to use this board as both a place of discussion-- and in a more evolved role, as a place to give the writers who are here feedback. It's counterproductive in my opinion to denounce them, and the show whenever we see something that we don't like.

If they made a great episode, we should say we loved it, and why we loved it. Talk about what made it great. --Or at least why we, personally think so.

If they made a lousy episode-- we should also let them know. Explain why we thought it was terrible. --And how we believe it could have been better.

I've seen posters on this board berate my favorite episode of the series. And I've seen posters sing the praises of episodes that I thought were terrible. I see this EVERY WEEK. By in large however, there is consensus on the boards. There are common fan favorite epsiodes, and common fan not-so-favorite epsiodes...

I think the key to improving these boards, is for individuals to recognize the consensus opinion of the rest of the board. I should know whether or not I am of the majority, or minority on a specific issue, and then frame my argument accordingly. If I dissent with the majority, I'll explain why, and put my opinion out there. That's my right. Far too many people on these boards aren't able to do that-- and that's how things become heated in my opinion. The majority tries to push its opinion on the dissenters... and the dissenters feel isolated and lash out.

I've seen this go both ways.


For those of you who got through this... Thanks for listening.

-Tai

 

[dex]

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Personally, I dont know how you Enterprise Staff do it. While I'm sure you made the best efforts in producing this show, you are still being bombarded by criticisms (some well rounded and thoughtful, some stupid and downright hateful). When I'm part of a team that puts their best effort into making a product and read all the biased slander to that product in a large forum accessed by thousands of people, I just cannot help but to speak out. Fortunately, over the years, I've become rather flame-retardant.

I came to this forum fairly recently as an optimistic Enterprise Fan who feels attached to the show and its characters, compelled to intelligently discuss the show. Yet, it feels like deja-vu. I mean, of all fandoms, I thought Star Trek would be the most open-minded and liberal. It's the freaking values displayed by the Federation! Some of the arguements I've been reading falls exactly in line with the ones made by some "15 year old wannabe Comp-Sci/Eng major describing how our product is the suxx0rs using random and incorrect terminology taken from some random fansite." Yes, you are entitled to dislike the show. However, I do not believe you are entitled to use derogatory comments that have an alterior motive than simply expressing your opinion.

While I'm making analogies, I must say that Enterprise is much like Intel's current Itanium processor. They are both the best in their respective business (its rather subjective for Enterprise, but on my meter stick, it ranks as the best). Yet their respective fields just dont give them the respect that they deserve. Even many enthusiasts (fans) look down upon them for no apparent reason, employing a double standard to them with respect to others. They even seem to enjoy reveling in their darkest hours. While I cannot say for the future of Enterprise, I can say that I hope Enterprise will follow in the footsteps of the Itanium II: start turning heads with a whole new rehash, give the open-minded more food for thought, clobber the shit out of its competitors, and give the big FU to the most malicious of naysayers.

"Its a long long... getting from there to here..."

 

[commodore64]

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Posted by Top41:

Posted by Miss Thang:
How 'bout holding the 'Shipper Peace Accords? I'm getting tired of people sniping back and forth about who's better, Trip or Archer. Not fun, IMHO.

Love,
Richard Holbrooke

LOL. I would love this, too. So, 'shippers, what do you say? Can we table the Archer vs. Trip sniping? The fellows themselves probably wouldn't like it, since they're best friends and all.

MissThang, I have seen you post "shipper" stuff. We know your Reedrage. In fact, we all have favorite characters who we will defend or get excited about. I like that we have favorite characters.

I also think the ship stuff is getting better ... at least it is since when I first started posting. The Archer and Trip crowds have somewhat called a truce, but anytime there's an episode or information that confronts that ship, it starts all over again.

I like posters who disagree with me. Blue, Tone, Emily and several others have all earned my esteem. I don't mind disgareement, even about my fav. characters and actors. I think variety is the spice of life.

What I find difficult is the petty needling. When Twilight came out, six threads about how great Trip was popped up. Good! Yay! And then, it turned into "And Trip is better than Archer." I was a little irked, but it's a Trip thread, so I let it be.

Unfortunately, theads not intended for "ship" business often get defiled with it. A post about "I liked Twilight" suddenly became twisted into why "T'Pol really likes Trip." Kinda silly if you ask me; it seems more appropriate in a "T/T'P -- they work" thread.

So, mods ... I think a guideline should be you either agree or disagree with a post. You can offer related criticism or feedback, but posters shouldn't bring up information that has nothing to do with a particular thread. For example, if I started a "I loved the cinematography of North Star," I shouldn't expect to see any posts about Xindi technology, unless they can somehow relate it to the thread title or the conversation.

And, I go back to my suggestion of more mods or eyes and ears keeping the peace. Emily, Zane and a few others have been great about contacting me if they get their feelings hurt. Seeking understanding works so much better than accusals, especially in the threads themselves, which become cumbersome and embarrassing to all.

Oh, and I think people should be nice to each other. It's a t.v. show. As passionate as we are about it, we need to keep perspective.

 

[Nephandus]

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Posted by Tai: The majority tries to push its opinion on the dissenters... and the dissenters feel isolated and lash out.

I’m not sure what “pushing its opinion” means, in this context.

In over a decade of Usenet and Web discussions, I have most often found this accusation follows an argument that rebutts very effectively the argument of someone who feels very passionately.

By definition, anyone who posts to a BBS, is “pushing an opinion”, though I don’t see how an opinion can be “forced”. This isn’t “A Clockwork Orange” – nobody is strapped in front of they PC with eyelid retractors.

Posted by dex:...and give the big FU to the most malicious of naysayers.

Is a naysayer, in this context, someone who doesn’t like the program and says so? If so, how does this make them malicious, even if they don’t like ANY of the programs? I can assure you, I didn’t like even a single episode of Voyager that I watched, though Tuvix came close. It wasn’t because I was malicious -the comments I made about it where a genuine description of my frustration and disappointment with it.

 

[Rick Sternbach]

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Posted by John Sullivan:
I'm even getting a little tired of using the example of putting out the trial balloon of "Rick Sternbach is a child molester" as the token unfair totally off-base unwarranted accusiation used only as the hypothetical

So am I.

Rick

 

[Ptrope]

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Actually, I think that's another Rick Sternbach .

Well, Rick, at least you know one source of this unfounded and malicious rumor who won't be able to continue spreading it .

 

[dex]

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Posted by Nephandus:
Is a naysayer, in this context, someone who doesn’t like the program and says so? If so, how does this make them malicious, even if they don’t like ANY of the programs? I can assure you, I didn’t like even a single episode of Voyager that I watched, though Tuvix came close. It wasn’t because I was malicious -the comments I made about it where a genuine description of my frustration and disappointment with it.

You know what I mean. Its someone to the fashion of not watching it and still bashing it. We have to go in the definition of highly subjective things like "thoughtful" and "biased/malicious" arguements. Since theres no good distinction between the 2, the only thing I can say is their intent. And frankly, only the original poster truly knows what their intent is, although the rest of us can just guess.

 

[Miss Thang]

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Posted by commodore64:

Posted by Top41:

Posted by Miss Thang:
How 'bout holding the 'Shipper Peace Accords? I'm getting tired of people sniping back and forth about who's better, Trip or Archer. Not fun, IMHO.

Love,
Richard Holbrooke

LOL. I would love this, too. So, 'shippers, what do you say? Can we table the Archer vs. Trip sniping? The fellows themselves probably wouldn't like it, since they're best friends and all.

MissThang, I have seen you post "shipper" stuff. We know your Reedrage. In fact, we all have favorite characters who we will defend or get excited about. I like that we have favorite characters.

I also think the ship stuff is getting better ... at least it is since when I first started posting. The Archer and Trip crowds have somewhat called a truce, but anytime there's an episode or information that confronts that ship, it starts all over again.

I like posters who disagree with me. Blue, Tone, Emily and several others have all earned my esteem. I don't mind disgareement, even about my fav. characters and actors. I think variety is the spice of life.

What I find difficult is the petty needling. When Twilight came out, six threads about how great Trip was popped up. Good! Yay! And then, it turned into "And Trip is better than Archer." I was a little irked, but it's a Trip thread, so I let it be.

Unfortunately, theads not intended for "ship" business often get defiled with it. A post about "I liked Twilight" suddenly became twisted into why "T'Pol really likes Trip." Kinda silly if you ask me; it seems more appropriate in a "T/T'P -- they work" thread.

So, mods ... I think a guideline should be you either agree or disagree with a post. You can offer related criticism or feedback, but posters shouldn't bring up information that has nothing to do with a particular thread. For example, if I started a "I loved the cinematography of North Star," I shouldn't expect to see any posts about Xindi technology, unless they can somehow relate it to the thread title or the conversation.

And, I go back to my suggestion of more mods or eyes and ears keeping the peace. Emily, Zane and a few others have been great about contacting me if they get their feelings hurt. Seeking understanding works so much better than accusals, especially in the threads themselves, which become cumbersome and embarrassing to all.

Oh, and I think people should be nice to each other. It's a t.v. show. As passionate as we are about it, we need to keep perspective.

I've never denied or hidden my shipperness, either for Reed or Trip, and I didn't do so in my post. I am also not actually Richard Holbrooke. Well, except on Halloween and when I'm really stressed out.

The issue isn't shipperness itself but the sniping of late; you and I seem to agree about that. There's been at least one QSF thread lately about the levels of uncivility between some Trip fans and some Archer fans. I know a lot of Archer fans left the board several months ago because they felt overwhelmed and unwelcomed by the Trip fans. Fair or not, I think it'd be a good idea to get that and other stuff out on the table.

The tensions don't just stay in one thread. Now they follow people from thread to thread. I started just staying out of the relationship threads because I wasn't personally interested in batting about for page after page whether Polly should wind up with Trip or Archer. That was my choice. But I don't think I should have to put up with it in several different threads. That's why I suggest both camps get together and make some peace.

In the first few months of season one, there was some warring between Reed and Trip fans, some of it good natured, some of it bloody minded. We made peace. I hope both sets of fans will do the same thing. There's a lot of shit that's worth getting in other people's faces about, and this ain't it, in my humble opinion.

If there is some kind of peace accord, or if there isn't, I think one lovely thing for people to do is stay out of other people's shipper threads if they only have mean things to say about the other character. I wouldn't go into an Archer thread and say, "Archer's an idiot. I hope he dies," both because I don't think that and because I know that'd be baiting people who really dig Archer.

It'd be good, too, if people didn't take things so personally. Yes, it stings when someone disses your favorite character. Such is life. Since I've been at this board, I've been lumped in with groups who've been characterized as a multitude of unsavory things. It doesn't feel good. I think it is patently ridiculous to get personal with other people because they like a character better than I do.

 

[Nephandus]

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Posted by dex:
[And frankly, only the original poster truly knows what their intent is, although the rest of us can just guess.

That’s a good foundation. Speculating on the motivations of the poster is not kosher, and is rarely a productive or necessary venture.

 

[commodore64]

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Posted by Miss Thang:
I've never denied or hidden my shipperness, either for Reed or Trip, and I didn't do so in my post. I am also not actually Richard Holbrooke. Well, except on Halloween and when I'm really stressed out.

Damn! I was hoping you were Holbrooke so I could ask you to talk with Prez. Bush.

I would agree -- everyone knows you like Trip or Reed. Everyone knows you like Reed's bad ass side and the goatee. Yay! Everyone knows I like Archer. (No tomatoes.) I guess I was saying ... I like that! More of that. I think it's swell and makes the BBS fun. I wasn't picking on you. Sorry if it came across that way.

The issue isn't shipperness itself but the sniping of late; you and I seem to agree about that. There's been at least one QSF thread lately about the levels of uncivility between some Trip fans and some Archer fans. I know a lot of Archer fans left the board several months ago because they felt overwhelmed and unwelcomed by the Trip fans. Fair or not, I think it'd be a good idea to get that and other stuff out on the table.

Absolutely.

The tensions don't just stay in one thread. Now they follow people from thread to thread. I started just staying out of the relationship threads because I wasn't personally interested in batting about for page after page whether Polly should wind up with Trip or Archer. That was my choice. But I don't think I should have to put up with it in several different threads. That's why I suggest both camps get together and make some peace.

Again. We agree. I long-windedly typed that. Erg, well, that was my thought. Obviously didn't come across.

There's a lot of shit that's worth getting in other people's faces about, and this ain't it, in my humble opinion.

Right on! Like what about those weapons of mass destruction?! And, the economy has improved? And, damnit I don't remember Skaggs being in TOS, TNG, DS9 or VOY! Continuity break! Sorry, the last one was a bad example.

If there is some kind of peace accord, or if there isn't, I think one lovely thing for people to do is stay out of other people's shipper threads if they only have mean things to say about the other character. I wouldn't go into an Archer thread and say, "Archer's an idiot. I hope he dies," both because I don't think that and because I know that'd be baiting people who really dig Archer.

I agree 100%. I know *you* wouldn't. The problem right now is ... some would. It's happened. And recently. Hey, you had a post about not being sure you liked Archer's acting in Twilight. Fair enough. No problem. Didn't offend me. I respect your opinions. Well, except the goatee.

Actually, the Archer and Trip ships are *trying* very hard to keep the peace. There are wonderful people in both camps who are really giving this a go. I'll give a "real-life" for instance. Zane contacted me saying, "What the hell are you thinking woman?" regarding a recent post from me. Actually he was much nicer. But, I really appreciated it. It was off-board and kind. I didn't realize I may have offended him or others; it was good to know.

And because he's a lovely person, we were able to work it out quickly. I think. I hope. Maybe Zane can correct me if I'm wrong.

Better still, I came away with a better impression of him and Tuckerites.

Yes, it stings when someone disses your favorite character. Such is life. Since I've been at this board, I've been lumped in with groups who've been characterized as a multitude of unsavory things. It doesn't feel good. I think it is patently ridiculous to get personal with other people because they like a character better than I do.

Agreed.

Back to the ship ....

The problem is, Thang, that right now the shippiness is front and center because of upcoming episodes. I bet it'll be bumpy for a little while after Twilight and until and possibly a little after episode 15.

Maybe you don't know the behind the scenes work and peace accords, we're trying to smoke the peace pipe and eat the brownies (the good kind). Just expect in the accord a few bobbles now and then.

I have faith things will get back to nicely normal soon.

Thang, let me know if you have any ideas.

Thanks!
Calm-odore64

 

[Miss Thang]

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Ackchally, I started the Archer thread to say how much I liked the acting.

Also, you did make your point clearly. No lack of clarity there.

I'm glad there's behind the scenes stuff going on; didn't know about that. That's probably much better than a more 'public' thread. I hope it works out because things are ugly enough around here without the shippers turning on each other. We have something in common: an appreciation for tasty men. We just disagree on who and what comprises tasty. I agree that the shipper threads can be great fun, and I hope they stay that way. 'Cuz there's nowhere I'd rather be when I'm drunk and online.

Beyond what I've said so far I don't have any suggestions. Well, maybe bad brownies or very special 'tobacco' for the peace pipe. Vodka, maybe? Cultural exchange?

Thang,
Richard Holbrooke Chair in Online Peace Studies,
Fellow in Pax TuckArchica Studies Initiative,
Starfleet Academy

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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I'm curious -- are the mods seeing a general improvement in behavior in the forum since this thread was opened? I think I am, but I'm also not reading as heavily here in the last week or so.