Enough food for a crew of 430 for five years
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Oh, ok... using rounded numbers:
430 people - 5 years of food
215 people - 10 years of food
108 people - 20 years of food
54 people - 40 years of food
27 people - 80 years of food
14 people - 160 years of food
7 people - 320 years of food
4 people - 640 years of food
2 people - 1280 years of food
Hmmm........
What I don't understand is how I came up with 43 1/2 years the first time around...
Maybe I'll just go watch Petticoat Junction from now on...
(But just for the record, I got A's in art class!
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I can't even fanboy an explanation for that. I can barely think how Gideon can get exact plans for a Starship - I'm sure the Klingons would give them a planet to relocate people for those plans. I'm even more amazed is how Kirk is convinced by the instruments and his own cabin and sickbay. I'm sure the way Kirk arranges the personal items in his cabin and where McCoy puts his instruments in sickbay each day are in stolen 'plans'.
Unless of course those video records we've been talking about have been livestreamed to Gideon every day. Yes a perfectly 'reasonable' fanboy explanation. Yes I'm on a roll here and the reason they don't relocate on another planet is because of their 'love of life' on their own planet. Their religion does not let the immigrate or use contraceptives but murder of 'volunteer' members of society is OK with them and apparently Kirk.
I assumed that much of the food would be like powdered milk, instant noodles etc. in order to keep space aboard at a premium.
I sure hope the Kelvans were planning to stop at the Trader Joe's just past the Galactic Barrier, otherwise their trip to Andromeda would've taken a bad turn a couple centuries on.
It's worse than that. Overpopulation is a problem of resources, not physical space. Theoretically you could build an apartment complex in the Grand Canyon large enough to give every man, woman and child on Earth a 2500 square foot apartment. For the level of overcrowding we see on Gideon, either large portions of the planet have to be uninhabitable or the overall population must be in the trillions.
It's worse than that. Overpopulation is a problem of resources, not physical space. Theoretically you could build an apartment complex in the Grand Canyon large enough to give every man, woman and child on Earth a 2500 square foot apartment. For the level of overcrowding we see on Gideon, either large portions of the planet have to be uninhabitable or the overall population must be in the trillions.
Yeah... between this and the other thread discussing how Lester was able to get full records on Kirk's crew, apparently Starfleet hasn't invested too much in information security. But as The Menagerie shows, anyone can pretty much use a computer to create a fake voiceprint, so maybe they figure there's no point, and just make everything freely available!
Star Trek as a 23rd century reality program... what a concept!
Whenever I've thought the very same thing I always figured Kirk must have also been drugged in some way so that his perceptions were off. Otherwise he couldn't have missed all the distinctive telling details. Also the ship itself might have distinctive scuff and wear marks in particular places. His own command chair should feel different because the Gideon one hadn't yet been conformed to Kirk's use over the years.
But Spock is referred to in that episode, and elsewhere, as a computer expert. His computer skills are undoubtedly much higher than the average Federation script kiddies.
Which brings to mind something else: just how many of those food pills did the Kelvins have stashed away? I hope it was more than was in those little change purses they had!
I recently saw a set of maps which show now large a single city holding the entire world's current population would be at various densities (e.g. if the density of the city was equal to Paris, fer instance), and then how many Earths it would take if everyone lives in the same overall density as given countries. Not saying your stat is wrong, but curious where it originates.
"Everybody else up here acts like they've never seen a black man before. Why should the bear be different?"
I love that movie.
Agreed, at one point I even thought they'd been in some fake Matrix-style virtual reality.
There is, indeed, one very odd thing worth noticing: The door sign saying "Personnel Records" is actually the door to Kirk's bedroom.
(sorry, no better screencap available but you can see it in HD).That he didn't notice tells us what? That he was, indeed, a control freak, and kept those records under his bed?
Bob
It's not that large parts of the planet are uninhabitable, they're needed to grow the tons of food to feed the population (automated farms or whatnot). Everyone else is crammed into futuristic domed cities, with nothing to do but shuffle around and breed like rabbits.
Plenty of space to build a wooden replica starship!
You may have noticed that, while everything looks right, nothing actually works. The Enterprise replica isn't a starship, it's a set. From the outside, it apparently looks like the Gideonite parliament building, as the parliament chamber is housed in the same structure.
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