Engine Room(s) on the TOS Enterprise (revisited)

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  1. Mytran

    Mytran Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    That makes a fair bit of sense and I like the maths too!
    Also, since I am willing to concede that the Engine Rooms underwent significant renovations between the first two seasons then I suppose a few improvements in the Transporter Room are not beyond belief. I wonder which one intrudes into the corridor?
     
  2. yotsuya

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    I'm leaning toward 6 transporter rooms. 4 in the saucer (where most of the people are) and 2 in the secondary hull with two cargo transporters that are not suitable for people except in an emergency. The FJ 22 person emergency transporters don't fit with TOS very well. That might be a late 23rd century thing before they improved the transporter to do accurately do point to point transporting which means you don't need as many dedicated rooms or pads.
     
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  3. yotsuya

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    If you are going to count every single change in transporter room set as a different room, then they have like 15 transporter rooms. I prefer to think that each different major layout might be a different room. One clean, one with a food synthesizer, and one with the extra scanner. I think that is how the Thermians would do it.
     
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  4. Mytran

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    Why 15? I've already conceded that minor renovations through the seasons are perfectly believable. The only major differences are the ones with different scanner station alcoves, which makes 3 T-rooms max.
    Dedicated cargo transporters are definitely not a TOS thing, as demonstrated by Dagger Of the Mind
     
  5. Ronald Held

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    Never thought that the food slots are in a transporter room to beam food and drink to Landing Parties.
     
  6. Maurice

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    Oh for Pete's sake...

    Engine rooms: 93
    Transporter rooms: .9
    Cabins: 0
    Lob Cabins: 273
    Bridges: 3 (Brooklyn, Golden Gate, Tacoma Narrows...oops)
     
  7. Cosmic Consciousness

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    No wonder Abe Lincoln showed up.
     
  8. Haunted House of Qo'nOs

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    You're forgetting the bowling alley!
     
  9. Mres_was_framed!

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    How about to provide weapons or gear from the armory. It's not a TNG replicator, but it the slots can deliver foods from the "galley" then maybe they can deliver gear. The ability to get a chicken soup is just a side-benefit ;)

    I see the ship blueprints in the FJSTM to be those of the current type of Constitution-class ship being built when they were supposedly written in the 23rd century. They are acurate to some degree, but ships built a bit earlier or later could be different.

    In this instance, you all and do TAS agree. In "The Terratin Incident," one is called "Transporter Room 3."

    When the doctor escapes from the cargo, he is stated to be loose on Deck 14. So that is either the bottom deck of the Saucer, same as the Forward Phaser Room, or it is a transporter room in the Secondary Hull.
     
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  10. yotsuya

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    A cargo transporter would be for bulk cargo and supplies. Not the couple of small boxes we see in the Transporter room. So that episode doesn't prove or disprove anything. it is just an FJ theory I happen to see the point to that would allow for the quick evacuation of the ship.
     
  11. Jason Voorhees

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    So how many crew quarters do ya think the ship has? Also does the ship have storage compartments since they replicate tools and spare parts and where are they located on the ship?


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  12. Phaser Two

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    I always figured that everyone on the ship probably couldn't have their own rooms (which we saw in TUC). We really only saw evidence of single, private officers' quarters, and I believe we saw Rand's quarters in one ep (The Enemy Within?), but she seemed to be pretty senior. Whether or not you think everyone has their own room drives the number of crew quarters and might best be addressed first.
     
  13. yotsuya

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    The various sets of deck plans for Kirk's Enterprise have senior officers with their own room and the lower crew sharing in 2 or 4 depending on who did it. FJ had suits with 2 people per cabin and 2 cabins share a bathroom. But it kind of depends on how much rec room there is. My thought on such a large ship is that every crew member should have some space to themself, but more room would be devoted to joint recreation space. That is really what we see in the series. The crew gathers in rec rooms off duty to eat, play games, sing songs, and who knows what else the 23rd century has to offer. We see multiple rec rooms (same set with different features), a gym, a theater, have a bowling alley mentioned in dialog, and i'm sure there is more. In the TMP refit we have a much larger rec room and a botanical garden. The ship should have facilities to keep the crew entertained off duty and facilities for them to further their personal and work related hobbies. I'd say at a minimum, the ship can accomodate 450. If I ever get around to laying out the deck plans, I'd probably aim for 500. We see several times that there is no concern with having more people on board, like the Karidian players or the colonists from This Side of Paradise. Though from what we see in Elaan of Troyius, the senior officers have nicer quarters than the guest quarters.
     
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  14. Cosmic Consciousness

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    Nope.

    A) The idea of cargo transporters and 22-person emergency transporters as additional types of transporters can be found in The Making Of Star Trek (1968), page 192. FJ reportedly used TMoST as a primary reference, so there's essentially no doubt that the idea for these additional types of transporters originates in TMoST, especially since the number of 22 people for the emergency transporters is the same in both TMoST and the FJTM and Connie blueprints.

    B) TMoST differentiates between personnel and cargo transporters. It is therefore a distinct possibility that cargo transporters are not rated to transport personnel. The cargo transporter console in the FJTM has a different configuration from the regular transporter room console: there are two banks of sliders with two sliders per bank, instead of one bank of three sliders. Not to mention, the pad configuration is totally different for cargo. These differences support (though naturally do not prove) the interpretation that cargo transporters are not safe for transporting personnel.
     
  15. Ronald Held

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    In TOS, rooms seem for sleeping and grooming, for all but the most senior officers.
    Why not two per room for ensigns and lieutenants?
     
  16. C57D

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    In the excellent 1 inch to 10 feet plans by FASA for their STTRPG, the variable height "undercuts" (the best term I can currently think of) beneath the saucer are used for storage, which makes sense to me.
     
  17. Spock Riding

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    Not necessarily. I think Elaan was put up in Uhura's quarters to keep her in the mist of the ship's officer quarters for security reasons. We find in the initial Ship Log this is a top-secret diplomatic mission. Petri the ambassador says, "Another thing you should understand, Captain. You have as much at stake as I have. Your superiors made the statement that failure of this mission would be as catastrophic for Federation planning as it would be for our two planets." The extra security was well founded since there was a Klingon agent/spy/saboteur on board and a Klingon war vessel stalking and later attacking them.
     
  18. Spock Riding

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    Why unnecessarily put more than one person in the same room if you have the space. @Shaw did an analysis on cabin space and he concluded the 947 foot ship can have ~299 TOS-type cabins on Decks 4, 5 and 6, or around 149 singles and 150 doubles. This easily houses the 430 crew plus gives 19 extra single cabins for passengers and guests. :techman:

    Journey to Babel (114 delegates with 32 of them Ambassadors, i.e. need 32 of the best rooms) and This Side of Paradise (150 men, women and children) were probably the only times that space on the ship was a real issue. I wonder if Kirk sticks the 150 colonists in the cargo hold like Picard did. :whistle:
     
  19. TIN_MAN

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    This may be part of the reason why FJ added so many cabins in the secondary hull and thus making it, in effect, capable of acting as an alternative life-boat to the primary hull.
     
  20. Mres_was_framed!

    Mres_was_framed! Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Could you clarify in this diagram two items for me?

    The orange lines representing a connection to the nacelles: What features on the bottom of the secondary hull do they connect with?

    The blue ovoid behind the deflector dish: what is this supposed to be, and does it relate with the set piece from the Phase Two Engine Room from the test footage?

    Also, where can we view these diagrams when they are done?