Endgame: Im Confused. -Definate Spoilers-

[nx1701g]

^ Meh. That makes sense if you assume all possible actions create new timelines. I'm of the opinion that such is not the case and divergent timelines only come into play when gigantic changes happen to the universe like Vulcan being destroyed, for example.

However, Admiral Janeway going back in time did not cause that kind of monumental change to the universe, IMHO.

I see, so basically we assume what happened with this finale is that the quicker Voyagers crew experienced the SAME things, only earlier than before. (and that 7 and Chakotay will have a relationship..etc.)

It's basically the Back to the Future II thing. Or the Terminator thing...

The moment old Janeway went back in time, the world she came from changed and ceased to exist, as we know she was successful. She continues to exist because she's the time traveller, shielded from changes.

That's how the internal logic of these stories goes anyway.

OT: Actually the Terminator franchise now accepts the multiple timeline theory and that all the timelines continue to function after the time travel events.

 

[F. King Daniel]

BTW I actually enjoyed Endgame. I thought seeing what the (admittedly alternate) Voyager crew had been up to in the years since their return at the start was enough. Having loads of scenes on Earth at the end would have been redundant (with the exception of Seven, of course. I'm glad she dumped Chakotay in the first of the reaunch novels!)

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: QUINTO'S SPOCK SHOULD BE CONSTANTLY SHOUTING!!!

If Admiral Janeway went back in time to help Voyager get home wouldn't Captain Janeway eventually have to do the same thing? But then that kind of doesn't make sense because she'd not be going back in time for the same reasons and in a sense she wouldn't be the same Janeway as the Admiral Janeway she met. I liked the fact that Admiral Janeway told Captain Janeway its best just to ignore the temporal prime directive but really maybe its there to prevent paradoxes.
Although using time travel to get home seemed like a cheat I still liked Endgame because I love Janeway and having 2 Janeways is never bad. Also Admiral Janeway is hot (and unlike Chakotay she doesn't even hafta dye her hair). I can't really imagine her spending all her time sitting behind a desk, surely she'd hafta get out and break the prime directive every once in a while.
As confusing as all the time travel was it made more sense than C/7.

She won't becuase rather than start a loop, the timeline was changed

 

[SpyOne]

• Does Old Janeway want to do it so that she changes HER lifetime, as in, SHE will get to meet Seven of Nine and Chakotay?

• Not sure I understand the question. Future Janeway is trying to change history, to replace the events she remembers with ones she believes will be better, including saving the lives of Seven and Chakotay, and the health of Tuvok.

  [*](I've read up about the ending) I do not understand whether Voyager coming back years earlier really changes ...anything? Apart from the death toll?

  The changes here are twofold: one is that people who would have died do not, the other is that the technology Future Janeway gave to Voyager will be in the hands of the Federation decades before it was in the timeline Future Janeway remembers.

  [*]Old Janeway dies..... but does that mean she has created a NEW timeline, due to the fact Young Janeway is still alive?

  No. The fact that the ship gets to Earth does, but the fact that she dies does not: it is entirely possible that in the timeline Future Janeway is from, she travelled into the past and was killed there. If Young Janeway died, that would definitely rule out the existence of her older self in the future, but Future Janeway dying changes nothing.

 

[SpyOne]

It's basically the Back to the Future II thing. Or the Terminator thing...

The moment old Janeway went back in time, the world she came from changed and ceased to exist, as we know she was successful. She continues to exist because she's the time traveller, shielded from changes.

That's how the internal logic of these stories goes anyway.

WOW.
Okay, first of all, Back to the Future and Terminator have vastly different takes on time travel, and both of them are different from Star Trek.
In the Terminator, it seems that time travel is effectively meaningless: people with knowledge of the future try to change events but are ultimately thwarted, often bringing about the very events they were trying to avoid. In the first movie, we have a closed loop: John Connor sends a man back in time to protect his mother, and that man is his father, indicating that all that happened in the movie is what John Connor remembers as his past. We even have the photo that Kyle Reese has of John Conner's mother, which is the same photo taken by the boy at the end of the film.
In the second film, we learn that Sarah Conner tried to warn people about Skynet, but not only was she Cassandra-like in her prophecies (that is, doomed to not be believed), but it was research on the wreckage of the remains of the first terminator that gave Cyberdyne its technological edge. And so on.

Back to the Future has in common with Star Trek the notion that a time traveler who changes history, upon returning to his own time will still remember events as they were, rather than the events caused by his changes. But it differs from Star Trek in changes to time traveled artifacts (including the time traveler himself) will occur slowly, or occur based upon probability. Thus, as Marty McFly makes his parents meeting less likely, first photos of him and his siblings, and later his body itself, begin to fade. And the success of efforts to save the life of Emmett Brown in 1886 can be judged by looking at an 1886 newspaper article about his death brought back from 1986. Star Trek, however, seems to operate on the notion that the newspaper article that was actually brought back in time will not change, but the copy of that article that exists in the library in the future will change, and that change will be sudden and complete.
(Tiny side bit: I did a little chart of the parallel universes at play in the Back To The Future movies, and it left me with this lingering question: what happened to the Marty McFly who grew up with the cool dad who wrote science fiction? As far as I can tell, he travels back in time in the Delorean and is never heard from again?!?!)