I see, so basically we assume what happened with this finale is that the quicker Voyagers crew experienced the SAME things, only earlier than before. (and that 7 and Chakotay will have a relationship..etc.)
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I see, so basically we assume what happened with this finale is that the quicker Voyagers crew experienced the SAME things, only earlier than before. (and that 7 and Chakotay will have a relationship..etc.)
More like the Admiral Janeway timeline ceases to exist.
It's basically the Back to the Future II thing. Or the Terminator thing...
The moment old Janeway went back in time, the world she came from changed and ceased to exist, as we know she was successful. She continues to exist because she's the time traveller, shielded from changes.
That's how the internal logic of these stories goes anyway.
I see, I finally see, so the only way we know "in lore" she becomes admiral is in Nemesis?
Tomalak, but Old Janeway died right? The Normal Janeway is alive...knows of her future self, but ISNT the same person technically?
Yeah, we saw her die. They are the *same*, but our Janeway will not grow up to become that person, as her circumstances changed.
That was one possible future for her, which will no longer come to pass.
Now who knows, maybe this timeline is even worse. Maybe the Voyager crew all die from a freak yachting accident on the fifth anniversary, leaving only Janeway alive, and she might go back herself to try and change things again...
But that's getting silly
It's kind of like that episode where Picard has to kill his doppelganger who is intent on them making the same mistake over and over again...
Thanks guys, I think I fully understand it now, appriciate your time and patience : )
I would disagree on two of the three things you just ran with there.
The episode does make sense. It's just morally questionable. I think you know I'm going to point out that I think Voyager was a great series.
I do agree it was not a good ending.
The episode does make sense. It's just morally questionable. I think you know I'm going to point out that I think Voyager was a great series.
I do agree it was not a good ending.
Janeway can be an admiral and still be out there in space. I like to think she was!
Her father (another Admiral Janeway) died in a shuttle crash out in space. So yes, admirals do get out there.
Janeway can be an admiral and still be out there in space. I like to think she was!
Her father (another Admiral Janeway) died in a shuttle crash out in space. So yes, admirals do get out there.
Well, he, her finance at the time, and she were out testing a shuttle prototype that male Admiral Janeway had designed, IIRC...
I think that's a little different.
Janeway can be an admiral and still be out there in space. I like to think she was!
Her father (another Admiral Janeway) died in a shuttle crash out in space. So yes, admirals do get out there.
Well, he, her finance at the time, and she were out testing a shuttle prototype that male Admiral Janeway had designed, IIRC...
I think that's a little different.
There was also mention of him being away from home a lot while she was growing up. Now that I mention that though that may be a reason why she would want to stick closer to Earth...
I, myself, was disappointed with the ending. It felt unfinished. There was so much aftermath to be seen, e.g:
-Janeways' reaction to her ex-fiance and his new woman
-The reaction from Starfleet/Earth towards Seven of Nine
-The reaction from Starfleet/Earth towards the ex-maquis members now being part of Voyager, but not officially in Starfleet
!
Also, I don't wanna read the books (spoiler next) - Janeway dies. I am too loyal to Janeway to let her go just yet.
I want a film too. I'm sure Tim Russ will be more than willing to do something. I know for a fact Kate Mulgrew wants to be Janeway again.
-Janeways' reaction to her ex-fiance and his new woman
-The reaction from Starfleet/Earth towards Seven of Nine
-The reaction from Starfleet/Earth towards the ex-maquis members now being part of Voyager, but not officially in Starfleet
!Also, I don't wanna read the books (spoiler next) - Janeway dies. I am too loyal to Janeway to let her go just yet.
I want a film too. I'm sure Tim Russ will be more than willing to do something. I know for a fact Kate Mulgrew wants to be Janeway again.
Lately, i've started to realise that...Voyager is actually quite a good series, but I know for certain....
People are right, the ending wasn't great, nothing in comparison to DS9 for example...or TNG finale, when I actually catch it (soon, since the UK reruns on Virgin are at 160 ish in terms of episodes).
@Adm Hawthorne
Wheres the avatar picture from xD
People are right, the ending wasn't great, nothing in comparison to DS9 for example...or TNG finale, when I actually catch it (soon, since the UK reruns on Virgin are at 160 ish in terms of episodes).
@Adm Hawthorne
Wheres the avatar picture from xD
Yes. With Voyager back earlier, events will now unfold differently. Presumably Tuvok will get the help he needs and not lose his marbles, Seven won't die on an away mission etc.
Is the old timeline still "out there" in the multiverse? Are Reg, Miral, Balding Tom and "Joe" all still there in their fugly PJ's, wondering what happened to the Admiral after she disappeared into the rift-thing?
Dunno.
Some real-life scientists believe alternate timelines are "real". The writers of STXI kept saying that TOS wasn't erased, that Nero created a branch point in the timeline by changing things in the past. The Voyager writers, however, believed in one mallable, rewritable timeline.
It's possible Janeway didn't save "her" Seven or Chakotay, that all she did was create a new divergence point when she went back and created an alternate timeline where they didn't die.
Hmm.
Adm Hawthorne, your avatar picture is a photoshopped one from Endgame?
Sorry im typing this on a thread, but I dont know how to private message (or if I even can).
Sorry im typing this on a thread, but I dont know how to private message (or if I even can).
If Admiral Janeway went back in time to help Voyager get home wouldn't Captain Janeway eventually have to do the same thing? But then that kind of doesn't make sense because she'd not be going back in time for the same reasons and in a sense she wouldn't be the same Janeway as the Admiral Janeway she met. I liked the fact that Admiral Janeway told Captain Janeway its best just to ignore the temporal prime directive but really maybe its there to prevent paradoxes.
Although using time travel to get home seemed like a cheat I still liked Endgame because I love Janeway and having 2 Janeways is never bad. Also Admiral Janeway is hot (and unlike Chakotay she doesn't even hafta dye her hair). I can't really imagine her spending all her time sitting behind a desk, surely she'd hafta get out and break the prime directive every once in a while.
As confusing as all the time travel was it made more sense than C/7.
Although using time travel to get home seemed like a cheat I still liked Endgame because I love Janeway and having 2 Janeways is never bad. Also Admiral Janeway is hot (and unlike Chakotay she doesn't even hafta dye her hair). I can't really imagine her spending all her time sitting behind a desk, surely she'd hafta get out and break the prime directive every once in a while.
As confusing as all the time travel was it made more sense than C/7.
I made it in photoshop.
Her head is from... something? Not sure what episode. Her body is from Endgame.
You guys are the second person to ask me that.
Cool beans.
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