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Elements of TOS which contradict later series

I thought shields absorbed energy?

Well, "shields" (or "screens") is short for "deflector shields" (or "deflector screens"), so presumably they deflect both matter and energy, i.e. push it aside, prevent it from hitting the ship. We've often seen animation suggesting that phasers and other energy beams "splash" when hitting shields/screens.

The Defiant's ablative armor would absorb energy, though; the way ablative armor works is by partially vaporizing on impact, so that it absorbs the energy by expending it on the breaking of its atomic/molecular bonds; essentially it takes the damage so the ship inside it doesn't.
 
From the Changeling:
SCOTT: Shields still holding, sir.
KIRK: Good.
SPOCK: Temporarily, Captain. Our shields absorbed energy equivalent to ninety of our photon torpedoes.
I'm pointing out the inconsistencies different writers viewed the deflectors, screens, shields, deflector screens and deflector shields. I'm working on a new spread sheet of all TOS references on the subject. After looking at all references, it's fairly consistent that these terms all refer to the same system, not two separate ones. In The Doomsday Machine, they even mention term-combinations during the same battle: Screens, Deflector Screens, Shields and Deflector Shields (oddly, not just Deflectors).

How any of these truly work is still up for discussion. Me, I support the idea that the defensive system stops incoming energy and matter by repelling/dissipating some of it, including most matter attacks, at a distance from the ship, and some, including mostly energy, repelling/dissipating it at very close proximity to the hull (and maybe a tiny bit getting through causing damage, hull heating, shaking ship and sparks from the control panels). I think it's like a fuzzy zone around the ship hull which gets "denser" the closer to the hull you get. (Inverse Square Rule?) As for Spock's "absorbed" comment, the shield energy field gets very dense close to hull (essentially a force field) and first absorbs incoming energy into this field then dissipates the energy quickly after the initial attack as long as shield energy is continuously applied. To counter the incoming attack, massive screen/shield energy is actively needed from the system generators and ship power sources. Maximum power (sudden short bursts or sustained use) causes the generators to weaken, up to and including, total failure. Early in the series, over stressing them can burn out the ship's lithium crystals. Thank goodness they upgraded to dilithium so that never occurs again.
 
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Well, the way it was supposed to work was that the shields were supposed to around the ship and the deflector was supposed to project outwards in a specific targeted direction, but the scripts fumbled that a lot.

From STAR TREK WRITERS/DIRECTORS GUIDE, THIRD REVISION, April 17, 1967, page 21:

DEFLECTORS

The primary "defensive shield" of the U.S.S. Enterprise. It is, in effect, an invisible force barrier around the Enterprise which protects the vessel from anything but the most sophisticated and powerful weapons. It is automatically activated by the ship's sensors when an unknown danger approaches. Note: The ship's Transporter cannot be used while the deflector screen is operating.

If the vessel should be under attack, the power of the deflector shield can be considerably increased, but at a commensurate loss in ship's power and at maximum shielding can only be maintained for a limited time.

The ship also has "navigational deflector beams" which, guided by "navigational scanners", sweep out far ahead of the vessel's path through space, deflecting from the ship's course meteoroids, asteroids, or space debris and ether objects which would cause damage should the vessel strike them at this enormous speed. These are all fully automated, operated by the vessel's computers.​

That would seem to be in agreement with what @Christopher says (quoted below), unless this passage in the third revision of the TOS writers guide doesn't reflect how it was supposed to be earlier on during production (of either the series or of either of the pilots).

By the way, I've never seen a copy of the TOS writers guide earlier than the third revision. Does anyone have one? What's the date on it? Does it say the same thing about deflectors (that there are two kinds: deflector shield/screen on the one hand and navigational deflector beams on the other)?

Different use of "deflector."
 
The Motion Picture adds "forcefields" as another seperate system to the "screens and shields". Although I'm pretty sure nowadays they're all interchangeable terms for the magical forcefield (which was a big bubble when that was more practical to cheaply depict but are now skin-tight to ships) that stops our heroes being exploded when hit by enemy weapons.
The Defiant's ablative armor would absorb energy, though; the way ablative armor works is by partially vaporizing on impact, so that it absorbs the energy by expending it on the breaking of its atomic/molecular bonds; essentially it takes the damage so the ship inside it doesn't.
Which was a cool concept, but they never actually depicted this visually at any point.
 
I always had the sense that the DS9 folks heard about modern tanks having ablative armor, thought "that sounds cool" and never really went any deeper on how it actually works or how to depict it.
 
In a lengthy memo to Nick Meyer re ST2 Roddenberry went into some detail on the difference between forcefields/shields and deflectors. Gene's feedback was about the Reliant attack in TWOK, where he postulates one idea for how Kirk could not be stupid enough to leave the shields down and yet still be lured into a position where the Enterprise is vulnerable. It's an interesting glimpse into how he (at that time) saw how the Enterprises' defenses worked. I'm not going to offer any opinion on how consistent it is with TOS.

Excerpt from memo to Harve Bennett from Gene Roddenberry dated Sept. 2, 1981, page 4.

[...] However, we can keep Khan's treachery
alive by doing something we often did in the series, i.e., playing
the starship's “protective armor" as consisting of the basic
protective forcefields which surround the entire vessel in times of
emergency, plus the more localized ultra-high energy deflectors
which are even more powerful but create an enormous drain on ship's
power.

In putting up forcefields or protective forcefields or forcefield
shields
(whatever you prefer to call them), starship Enterprise is
protected unless the other vessel is allowed to get in too close
where a point blank concentrated phaser strike could rupture the
forcefield protection (which is why the ship has the heavier
deflectors for just such protection in critical battle situations).

Now, this allows Khan to use his cleverness and tricks to steadily
get in closer and closer, perhaps even using a transmitted comment
from Chekov to put Kirk off guard. Then at the last split second,
Kirk sees what is happening, but it is too late to get the powerful
deflectors into place, and the Enterprise is heavily damaged just as
described.[...]​
 
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From the Changeling:

Okay, that's one reference to shields absorbing energy. But that doesn't mean it's their primary function. What they do is right there in the name -- the word "deflect" does not mean "absorb," it means "turn aside." As I said, it probably started out with the intent of being an asteroid deflector of the type recommended by the show's science advisors, something that would knock away approaching objects before they hit the ship (as suggested by the dialogue in "Where No Man" and "Corbomite"), before evolving into a more general, omnidirectional defensive shield. So the idea was that it would push material objects away, and that soon extended to energy weapons (or perhaps particle beams).

However, deflecting matter and absorbing energy aren't incompatible ideas. One way for a defensive layer to deflect an impact is by absorbing enough of its kinetic energy (say, by deforming on impact like a bike helmet or a car's crumple zone) to slow it down so that it doesn't penetrate the barrier and bounces off instead.


After looking at all references, it's fairly consistent that these terms all refer to the same system, not two separate ones.

As I've been saying all along.


The Motion Picture adds "forcefields" as another seperate system to the "screens and shields". Although I'm pretty sure nowadays they're all interchangeable terms for the magical forcefield (which was a big bubble when that was more practical to cheaply depict but are now skin-tight to ships) that stops our heroes being exploded when hit by enemy weapons.

As I keep saying, the terms "screen" and "shield" (with or without "deflector" preceding them) were interchangeable in TOS and TAS; it was only in TMP and (as Maurice reminded me) TWOK that they were treated as separate systems, because Roddenberry apparently decided in the interim to invent a rationalization for the two terms as separate systems (maybe he got tired of fans asking him about the difference at conventions). However, according to Star Trek Script Search, the term "screen" has never been used as a term for a defensive field in any post-1982 production; after TWOK, it was abandoned entirely in favor of "deflector shield" as the standardized term, and the word "screen" was only used in reference to visual display devices.

As for "forcefield," interestingly, TNG-era shows used it to refer to alien defensive fields and interior shipboard security and containment fields, but never for the external deflector system.


Hey, so this gets us back to the original topic of the thread -- elements of TOS that are inconsistent with later series. One of those is using the term "deflector screen" instead of the later standardized term "deflector shield." Kind of like how TOS/TAS used an assortment of different terms for the Vulcan telepathic bond (mind-touch, mind-probe, mind-fusion, etc., with "mind-meld" used only twice in early season 3) before it was standardized as "mind-meld" in the movies and later shows thanks to The Making of Star Trek using that term for it.

Turns out that TMoST may be the reason for the standardization here as well, since it favors the use of "deflector shield," though it adds the parenthetical that they're sometimes called "screens" as well (confirming that at the time, they were meant to be alternate names for the same system rather than two separate systems as they were retconned to be in Phase II/TMP/TWOK). Similarly, the Star Trek Concordance's lexicon entry on "deflectors" mostly calls them deflectors, deflector shields, or shields, with only one use of "deflector screen" in the entry.
 
Has the scientific mechanism behind the screens/shields or even forcefields ever been explained in Trek? :shrug:

Some ideas:
  • The main navigational deflector, and possibly implied to the deflector screens/shields, could be a reverse gravity beam. Gravity strongly affects matter at great distances, and intense gravity fields can even bend (i.e. deflect) light (and all other forms of light such as lasers, x-rays and gamma rays). If powerful enough to deflect light, then the ship would generate the antigravity force of a sun and be able to push planets out of their orbits. So, this may not work to deflect just energy like photons.
  • Another idea is that charged particles like ionized plasma/gases or just electrons are trapped between two opposing magnetic fields. One field may be a bubble around the ship and the other is generated by the ship's hull. Incoming photon energy and charged particles would be diffused and deflected by this "particle forcefield".
  • Third idea, it involves a magical force that we haven't discovered, yet. YMMV :).
 
There's also a reference to a "meteorite beam" deflecting things in "The Cage/The Menagerie" though we don't really have any direct evidence of this beam coming from the dish on the front of the ship.
 
Has the scientific mechanism behind the screens/shields or even forcefields ever been explained in Trek?

Not onscreen, but the Sternbach/Okuda tech manuals explain them as shaped gravitational fields that basically gravity-lens projectiles and energy away from the ship, bending spacetime so that incoming paths curve away from the vessel. Although that doesn't explain how you can see through them, since presumably light would be bent like everything else. I think there's a handwave about "frequency windows," but then, you'd think that would leave the ship vulnerable to visible-light lasers.

The Making of Star Trek p. 86 reproduces a memo from the development of "The Cage" showing the genesis of the navigational-deflector idea. The scientists Roddenberry consulted with explained why such a deflector would be necessary for a ship moving at high speed through space, and the proposed methods mentioned in the memo include a magnetic field (which would only work against ionized matter) or a laser to vaporize oncoming debris. But I think a "reverse tractor beam" like you suggest is basically the intent now.


  • Another idea is that charged particles like ionized plasma/gases or just electrons are trapped between two opposing magnetic fields. One field may be a bubble around the ship and the other is generated by the ship's hull. Incoming photon energy and charged particles would be diffused and deflected by this "particle forcefield".

That's an interesting idea.


There's also a reference to a "meteorite beam" deflecting things in "The Cage/The Menagerie" though we don't really have any direct evidence of this beam coming from the dish on the front of the ship.

Unless you think the ship is flying sideways or backward, there's no other sensible place for it to come from than the front. And the whole reason the designers put the dish there at all was to represent the deflector system that the science advisors recommended.
 
Has the scientific mechanism behind the screens/shields or even forcefields ever been explained in Trek?

As per "Obsession," we know that deflector shields have something to do with gravity and therefore (at least according to general relativity) possibly even warping space.

KIRK: Deflectors up.
CHEKOV: Deflectors up, sir.
SPOCK: The deflectors will not stop it, Captain.
SCOTT: That's impossible.
SPOCK: I should have surmised this. For the creature to be able to use gravity as a propulsive force, it would have to have this capacity.​

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/47.htm
 
There's also a reference to a "meteorite beam" deflecting things in "The Cage/The Menagerie" though we don't really have any direct evidence of this beam coming from the dish on the front of the ship.
A coherent deflector beam as used by Spock in The Paradise Syndrome? A view prior to and after this this photo shows the Enterprise facing the asteroid, so, there's a good chance it is emitting from the front of the ship. To me, the beam looks like a pulsating particle beam. Could the deflectors be continuously accelerated charged particles driven away from the ship by a huge magnetic field? If they showed it in the original version, they'd probably show it coming from the bottom of the saucer like phasers and photon torpedoes. :biggrin:
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Blocking of visible-light weapons need not be a problem: in TOS, DSC and TNG alike, forcefields tend to be invisible, that is, transparent, unless challenged. Starship protective fields, too, no doubt would only grow opaque to the threat when the threat actually challenges them.

The TNG /DS9 Tech Manual explanation indeed is suspension of gravitons in a subspace trench some distance away from the ship, these concentrated gravitons thus supposedly affecting most of the known physical phenomena through basic, real-world (if extreme) gravity, and stopping any threats based on such phenomena simply by pulling like jam-packed black holes - or more probably by pushing, since the Trek folks no doubt know how to reverse the polarity of gravity even if it otherwise remains the familiar real-world thing. The defenses only "activating" when actually hit would then probably be vitally important: it wouldn't do to have the ship surrounded by black holes all the time.

I mean, it need not be a problem for the ship herself: she might use antigravity to cancel out her own defensive pull or push. But we never see other spacecraft affected by a steady gravitic pull or push: the one time such a craft in "The Hunted" physically bounces off the shields, perhaps indeed due to reverse gravity effects, is countermanded by the many times other craft sneak up to the immediate vicinity of the shields, or indeed even through them. If the gravitic effect only blinks on during actual hits, we aren't left wanting for more "macroscopic", longterm signs of gravitic tomfoolery.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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