In the Star Trek universe what happens to each nation states armed forces and naval fleets? Do Sandhurst and other military academies close down?
Earth's armed forces and naval fleets in the ST universe
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A merger into the Earth-based division of Starfleet. The schools could transition into preparatory schools/annexes for Starfleet Academy.
Well, we know from Voyager's Thirty Days that there is some kind of Naval Patrol.
I don't think it's established..
However I suspect institutions like West Point, Annapolis and Colorado Springs would be lumped into "Starfleet Academy" and would offer the individual specialized training..ie like a college major, or Army "A School".
West Point (Army)-Security, ground combat and tactics, etc
Annapolis(Navy)-Command, Science and Engineering.
Colorado Springs(Air Force)-Helm, Tactical, Communications.
All in one joint service Academy.
However I suspect institutions like West Point, Annapolis and Colorado Springs would be lumped into "Starfleet Academy" and would offer the individual specialized training..ie like a college major, or Army "A School".
West Point (Army)-Security, ground combat and tactics, etc
Annapolis(Navy)-Command, Science and Engineering.
Colorado Springs(Air Force)-Helm, Tactical, Communications.
All in one joint service Academy.
I think at the least, the governments of Earth (and other Human worlds/colonies) would maintain a small ceremonial military force, like the Queens color guard, or the US Marines at the White House. I definately think there would continue to be various coast guards because people just plain get in trouble and require help on occasion.
If more than that, it would depend on how much separation of authority the nation states have from United Earth, and from the Federation.
Human colonies might not be directly from United Earth and could be from individual nations. Colonies will need protection from various threats and Starfleet isn't going to replace every beat cop in the Federation. If nations have commercial starships registered under their flag, the natiions could have small armed starships to look after that shipping and respond to problems around their colonies.
If more than that, it would depend on how much separation of authority the nation states have from United Earth, and from the Federation.
Human colonies might not be directly from United Earth and could be from individual nations. Colonies will need protection from various threats and Starfleet isn't going to replace every beat cop in the Federation. If nations have commercial starships registered under their flag, the natiions could have small armed starships to look after that shipping and respond to problems around their colonies.
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With the disbanding of the MACO's at the founding of the Federation, I doubt it would be a military force at all. The implication in both the prime and kelvin timelines is that there is no Earth military, formally, at all. Starfleet would fulfill any honor guard roles.
^This.
But they might wear a special uniform/insignia patch in the style of the organization whose role they're filling, to honor history.
But they might wear a special uniform/insignia patch in the style of the organization whose role they're filling, to honor history.
Yeah I'd go with that...it's obvious that Starfleet does recognize military heritage (IE: Not scrubbing out CVN-65 USS Enterprise from the "history of the Enterprise" displays).
I imagine ships like the Saratoga, Lexington, Hood and Yamato would have a similar display.
A long legacy of honor. Plus, I suppose they could name ships/starbases after these schools, too, especially if they have a long and storied history.
I always interpreted that as a sort of navy/research organization that was a branch of the federation. I wish that had been explored in more detail seeing an Enterprise that goes underwater, floats, and all sorts of cool sci fi navally things would be awesome
That was know to have happen only in one of the alternate universes. While it's possible that happen in the prime, there no definite indication. As a Earth military force, the MACOs could exist into the 24th century, and beyond.
From episodes in TNG and DS9 apparently Federation Members do retain indigenous military forces separate from Starfleet. And from characters speaking of their homelands, nation states still exist on Earth (imho therefor other Member worlds), so I think that national ceremonial guards would exist.
It's hard to imagine the Swiss Guards at the Vatican being replace with Starfleet personnel.
Had Bajor joined the Federation, the Bajoran Militia would have been absorbed into Starfleet.
all abdorbed into starfleet.
In a universe where you enemies are in other star systems and need starships to move, keeping sea navy is useless.Even an air foce would be ridondant since you'll problably have space raiders and shuttle for orbital and system defence.
Maybe the army could state separated, but since they'll nedd starships to reach the enemy....
In a universe where you enemies are in other star systems and need starships to move, keeping sea navy is useless.Even an air foce would be ridondant since you'll problably have space raiders and shuttle for orbital and system defence.
Maybe the army could state separated, but since they'll nedd starships to reach the enemy....
Well, maybe as a religion, they'd have their own people. And of course, shopping malls would have non-Starfleet security guards (though maybe some would be ex-Starfleet). We're talking government guarding positions here.
And? These days, the Army needs either ships or planes to reach most battlefields.
The Vatican is a nation, and while the Swiss Guard first duty is the protection of the Pope, they do also protect the small nation's land and property.
The British Queen is protected by a special contingent of the British infantry. The American President by agents of Homeland Security. Many other heads of state have special protection. Having the Federation replace their indigenous peoples with Starfleet personnel would be presumptuous and arrogant, and should be beyond the Federation's abilities..
But while the Federation does have a governing body, the Federation itself is not a nation state, it's an interstellar alliance. The membership can of course call upon Starfleet to uphold it's duties.
Actually, the Federation is a state. It has member worlds, of course, but that doesn't change the fact that the Federation is a state unto itself. It has a single government which decides Federation policy, it has a Starfleet which carries out any military actions the Federation requires, and it has laws that all member worlds must abide.
The Federation is a state in the same manner that the United States of America is one (and that the European Union isn't
).
As to the question of whether Earth itself has a military separate from the Federation Starfleet? We have no idea. What we DO know is that Earth enjoys no special status within the Federation - it is simply a member world like any other. So it is entirely possible that Earth retains part of its own military to deal with purely local affairs, like Vulcan (for example). We just never got the chance to see this, because it wasn't important for any specific episode.
The Federation is a state in the same manner that the United States of America is one (and that the European Union isn't
).As to the question of whether Earth itself has a military separate from the Federation Starfleet? We have no idea. What we DO know is that Earth enjoys no special status within the Federation - it is simply a member world like any other. So it is entirely possible that Earth retains part of its own military to deal with purely local affairs, like Vulcan (for example). We just never got the chance to see this, because it wasn't important for any specific episode.
Is the United Earth seat actually even on Earth anymore?
I almost feel like the United Earth gave Earth to the Federation to use as a homeworld.
(Similar to the construction of Washington DC.)
I almost feel like the United Earth gave Earth to the Federation to use as a homeworld.
(Similar to the construction of Washington DC.)
United Earth was a political entity (on Earth, of course 
) before the founding of the Federation, and it still is one afterward.
The fact that Earth is the Federation capital, is irrelevant. It is just a regular member world. None of this "special government district" horseshit like what we have with DC.
) before the founding of the Federation, and it still is one afterward.The fact that Earth is the Federation capital, is irrelevant. It is just a regular member world. None of this "special government district" horseshit like what we have with DC.
Trantor.
Governing the entire Federation (from Paris) probably takes more room up than the whole of France.
The Mayor from Buffy was a "Minister" of the United Earth government, or he was an unspecified politician who was also a "religious" minister right at the end of Enterprise.
There's a novel about founding the Federation where they are saying that Harry Groener/Minister Samuels wasn't just the a regular Minister, he was the Prime Minister, which is a title that hardly ever means absolute leader... But if that was true, why did Archer make the ruler of Earth have to eat so much shit?
Other than the existence of UESPA, we don't know anything for sure.
Governing the entire Federation (from Paris) probably takes more room up than the whole of France.
The Mayor from Buffy was a "Minister" of the United Earth government, or he was an unspecified politician who was also a "religious" minister right at the end of Enterprise.
There's a novel about founding the Federation where they are saying that Harry Groener/Minister Samuels wasn't just the a regular Minister, he was the Prime Minister, which is a title that hardly ever means absolute leader... But if that was true, why did Archer make the ruler of Earth have to eat so much shit?
Other than the existence of UESPA, we don't know anything for sure.
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