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Early Criticism: What’s Unfounded and What Isn’t

Calling the kind of kvetching going on here "constructive" is torturing the language.
There is very rarely constructive criticism. They're rarely an observation of what could be improved, or praising what was successful.

It mind if reminds me of the relationship between Quark and Ishka.
 
The main difference between a kilt and a skirt comes in its cultural and historical significance, not its structure. Tradition makes it more socially acceptable for males to wear one if they choose to, and James Bond chose to.
The scene you are referring to was Bond working undercover. It was not a part of his regular dress.
 
There is very rarely constructive criticism. They're rarely an observation of what could be improved, or praising what was successful.

It mind if reminds me of the relationship between Quark and Ishka.

Because you said this,,,,

What part of that video was hating? He was pointing out, with detail, criticisms that fans have of the show. There was no "hating" as you put it. So you either didn't watch it, or have a very warped interpretation of hating.

As I've pointed out already in this thread, you guys can't handle constructive criticism. Your reaction to this video is a perfect example of that.
I watched it through, I'd have to agree with you, I did not find it "hating" in any way, if anything it was more of a synopsis video as to why dislike for the show exists, and the rationale for that.
Now if there is objection/disagreement to that rationale, that's fine, but that doesn't qualify as 'hating'.

It's important to absorb information from different sources, different perspectives as that it where knowledge come from and the ability to parse out incorrect information. Otherwise people will stay in their echo chambers and refuse to come out, and we have a culture of that now...dismissing the message (or the messenger) without knowing (or listening to) the message.
 
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I watched it through, I'd have to agree with you, I did not find it "hating" in any way, if anything it was more of a synopsis video as to why dislike for the show exists, and the rationale for that.
Now if there is objection/disagreement to that rationale, that's fine, but that doesn't qualify as 'hating'.

It's important to absorb information from different sources, different perspectives as that it where knowledge come from and the ability to parse out incorrect information. Otherwise people will stay in their echo chambers and refuse to come out, and we have a culture of that now...dismissing the message without knowing the message.
Exactly.

I freely admit the show was always going to be a tough sell for me because of the premise. I've never been a fan of shows like Saved By The Bell, Beverly Hills 90210, Party of Five, Dawson Creek, etc. They've never been my cup of tea even when I was in that targeted demographic. In fact, I watched Star Trek to get AWAY from that brain dead type of television. But I wanted to give it a fair shot and I really wish I hadn't. It's soooooo bad.

Most Star Trek shows had characters I could relate to and looked forward to seeing every week. SFA has none of that. There isn't a single character I can identify with, none that I care to see what happens next week and the writing is so piss poor that I'm curious how much of it came from AI. The lead character, who is suppose to be a Commandant, has no military bearing of any kind and is completely unbelievable in her role. No cadet would ever take her seriously and someone that unsat would have been kicked out of the service a long time ago. This is suppose to be a military academy, the best of the best, but the way so many of these cadets are portrayed, they would never pass a military boot camp. I don't blame the actors, they are let down by writers who care more about the cheap laugh than character integrity.

I could go on and on. The show clearly isn't for me and that's fine. But reading some of the comments here from people trying to quash criticism is just plain sad. Sticking their fingers in their ear, pretending that all the complaints against the show aren't valid is just living in a fantasy world.
 
Exactly.

I freely admit the show was always going to be a tough sell for me because of the premise. I've never been a fan of shows like Saved By The Bell, Beverly Hills 90210, Party of Five, Dawson Creek, etc. They've never been my cup of tea even when I was in that targeted demographic. In fact, I watched Star Trek to get AWAY from that brain dead type of television. But I wanted to give it a fair shot and I really wish I hadn't. It's soooooo bad.

Most Star Trek shows had characters I could relate to and looked forward to seeing every week. SFA has none of that. There isn't a single character I can identify with, none that I care to see what happens next week and the writing is so piss poor that I'm curious how much of it came from AI. The lead character, who is suppose to be a Commandant, has no military bearing of any kind and is completely unbelievable in her role. No cadet would ever take her seriously and someone that unsat would have been kicked out of the service a long time ago. This is suppose to be a military academy, the best of the best, but the way so many of these cadets are portrayed, they would never pass a military boot camp. I don't blame the actors, they are let down by writers who care more about the cheap laugh than character integrity.

I could go on and on. The show clearly isn't for me and that's fine. But reading some of the comments here from people trying to quash criticism is just plain sad. Sticking their fingers in their ear, pretending that all the complaints against the show aren't valid is just living in a fantasy world.
I think you touched upon a good point in that ST in general was what peopled turned to when the other stuff on was so formulaic...
however when ST starts to incorporate the same tropes that all other shows incorporate, well what then differentiates it from everything else, aside from the name badge....again this is nothing new....

it's just wrapped in euphemisms: "Fresh Take", "Modern Audience" read as: we're using the name but doing something completely different.

Imagine if TOS had Sherwood Schwartz type pranks like the Brady Bunch and Gilligan's Island, popular shows in the mid and late 60s, early 70s.

(Trying to picture Spock getting hit in the head with a Football and then screaming "Oh, My Ears!!!" :))
 
Exactly.

I freely admit the show was always going to be a tough sell for me because of the premise. I've never been a fan of shows like Saved By The Bell, Beverly Hills 90210, Party of Five, Dawson Creek, etc. They've never been my cup of tea even when I was in that targeted demographic. In fact, I watched Star Trek to get AWAY from that brain dead type of television. But I wanted to give it a fair shot and I really wish I hadn't. It's soooooo bad.

Most Star Trek shows had characters I could relate to and looked forward to seeing every week. SFA has none of that. There isn't a single character I can identify with, none that I care to see what happens next week and the writing is so piss poor that I'm curious how much of it came from AI. The lead character, who is suppose to be a Commandant, has no military bearing of any kind and is completely unbelievable in her role. No cadet would ever take her seriously and someone that unsat would have been kicked out of the service a long time ago. This is suppose to be a military academy, the best of the best, but the way so many of these cadets are portrayed, they would never pass a military boot camp. I don't blame the actors, they are let down by writers who care more about the cheap laugh than character integrity.

I could go on and on. The show clearly isn't for me and that's fine. But reading some of the comments here from people trying to quash criticism is just plain sad. Sticking their fingers in their ear, pretending that all the complaints against the show aren't valid is just living in a fantasy world.
What would count as acceptable to you in terms of how much your views need to be accepted for you to feel like criticism isn't quashed? I mostly see people just disagreeing.
 
It‘s honestly kind of baffling (if not totally surprising) how much discussion a male character wearing a skirt can generate. These producers are playing certain parts of the audience like a fiddle. :lol:

[…] Dawson Creek […] that brain dead type of television.
This can only come from someone who I‘m certain has never watched even a single episode of that show. I‘m sorry, but this is just some prejudice you have towards it, because it‘s actualy some well-written coming of age drama with solid character work and intelligent dialogue. The protagonists being young people and the topic often being their adolescent love lives doesn‘t make it “brain dead television”.
 
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