E-E & DS9

[Photon]

Re: E-E & DS9

I would have liked an off-hand reference to the Enterprise doing something in the war. I can understand why it couldn't appear and why the movies couldn't deal with the war, but a line or two like 'Picard is leading the fleet at the Offscreen Offensive Sector' would have done a lot for my geekishness.

Its not like the E-D was totally off limits. The Ent drops by DS9, then Worf goes off the Romulan encampment and off the Ent is all over some Emissary

 

[Myasishchev]

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^True, and I heartily enjoyed watching the E-D's surrogates get torn to pieces in droves during the Dominion War.

 

[Anwar]

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What do you mean? The Galaxy held up better during the Dominion War than it did in TNG!

 

[Myasishchev]

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What do you mean? The Galaxy held up better during the Dominion War than it did in TNG!

It is kind of close, isn't it?

Cause and Effect alone might beat DS9.

 

[chakotay_lover]

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Didnt it fucing explode.....I hated that, what happened to everyone, why didnt worf say anything about it....

 

[Epsilon IX]

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Oh absolutely! I really wish we could have seen the Enterprise-E appear throughout DS9 seasons 6 and 7 and kick serious ass, rather than all the diarrhoea-out-the-mouth stuff about the Emissary of the Prophets and Dukat becoming the 'Antichrist'! One would also expect the Enterprise to be on the frontlines being the Federation's flagship! Surely Picard didn't spend the duration of the war in his ready room slurping tea and reading Shakespeare?!
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[Photon]

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Oh absolutely! I really wish we could have seen the Enterprise-E appear throughout DS9 seasons 6 and 7 and kick serious ass, rather than all the diarrhoea-out-the-mouth stuff about the Emissary of the Prophets and Dukat becoming the 'Antichrist'! One would also expect the Enterprise to be on the frontlines being the Federation's flagship! Surely Picard didn't spend the duration of the war in his ready room slurping tea and reading Shakespeare?!
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no he was examining rocks and off his rocks w/Bev Crusher holograms

 

[TS-1838-SWATH]

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I can understand the appeal to some - but I've never fully understood the whole fanboy excitement over crossovers.

What crossover? DS9, Voyager and The Next Generation are not separate universes. The Dominion War exists in all of them. Do you really think any Sovereign-class ships are going to be out exploring the galaxy while the Federation is fighting for its very existence? That doesn't make sense. It's not "Fanboy excitement" to expect to see Sovereign-class and Intrepid-class ships - it's logical.

Save the "fanboy" label for someone who wished for Mimbari Cruisers in the Dominion War.

Seconded

Yes the Sovereign-class is above the G class and it was not seen in the war does NOT compute
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I would pay money to see the faces of B5 Fans if that did happen

 

[JamesSmith]

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They couldn't, the Movie Studio guys wanted the Sovereign to be Movie exclusive, just like the Movie Constitution.

But the Movie Constitution appeared in the episode of Family Guy and on the episode of Duckman.

 

[JamesSmith]

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When I was watching ReBoot one night, the episode was the Crimson Binome, when Dot and Enzo steals the binome's fatest ship. Ironically, the ship bears a striking resemblance to cross between the Enterprise-D and the Enterprise-E.

 

[Anwar]

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They couldn't, the Movie Studio guys wanted the Sovereign to be Movie exclusive, just like the Movie Constitution.

But the Movie Constitution appeared in the episode of Family Guy and on the episode of Duckman.

Other shows unassociated with Trek paying for the usage of an iconic vessel isn't the same thing.

 

[Tomalak]

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There's also the little fact that the Movie Constitution wasn't exactly in demand by then.

 

[Broccoli]

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i hate insurrection
you might disagree but i bet if insurrection was about the dominion war, good space battles, combat movie, star trek wouldn't have had to have been rebooted earlier this year

What a ridiculous argument.

Listen, I like DS9. It probably is the best constructed series of the spin-offs. However, the fact remains that it was not popular in regards to TNG and especially TOS. It often seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle with Voyager on the air at the same time. The fact that the TNG movies did not play into DS9 is not the reason why the TNG movies were lukewarmly received at best.

Also, having a TNG movie surrounding the central storyline of DS9 does not automatically equal a good movie. What is the story about? Is it interesting or engaging? Or will it be nothing but space battles and combat like you suggest? Saying it should have been like this in very general terms is meanlingless.

 

[Tomalak]

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Thing is, Insurrection had a better story than many movies, it just wasn't realised very well.

 

[Myasishchev]

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i hate insurrection
you might disagree but i bet if insurrection was about the dominion war, good space battles, combat movie, star trek wouldn't have had to have been rebooted earlier this year

What a ridiculous argument.

Listen, I like DS9. It probably is the best constructed series of the spin-offs. However, the fact remains that it was not popular in regards to TNG and especially TOS. It often seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle with Voyager on the air at the same time. The fact that the TNG movies did not play into DS9 is not the reason why the TNG movies were lukewarmly received at best.

Also, having a TNG movie surrounding the central storyline of DS9 does not automatically equal a good movie. What is the story about? Is it interesting or engaging? Or will it be nothing but space battles and combat like you suggest? Saying it should have been like this in very general terms is meanlingless.

I dunno, I think there's a point there. Arguing that the film has to have a story is well and good--obviously it has to be written well (and heck, that is where Insurrection failed).

But as for whether a DS9/Dominion War connection would be a bad idea, I would disagree. People don't know jack about most real-life wars, but that doesn't stop them from being popular films if they're well made. And as for fictional wars, people didn't know jack about the war between the Rebel Alliance and the Empire, or the war between John Connor's army of meatbags and the righteous forces of Skynet, but these conflicts were well-received.

It might be overreaching to say that an action-oriented Star Trek 9 would have "saved the franchise"--God knows Nemesis sure as hell didn't--but at least it might have made a more interesting substitute for Insurrection for the Trek fans, and a more accessible/cool story to the casual filmgoer as well.

 

[Broccoli]

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i hate insurrection
you might disagree but i bet if insurrection was about the dominion war, good space battles, combat movie, star trek wouldn't have had to have been rebooted earlier this year

What a ridiculous argument.

Listen, I like DS9. It probably is the best constructed series of the spin-offs. However, the fact remains that it was not popular in regards to TNG and especially TOS. It often seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle with Voyager on the air at the same time. The fact that the TNG movies did not play into DS9 is not the reason why the TNG movies were lukewarmly received at best.

Also, having a TNG movie surrounding the central storyline of DS9 does not automatically equal a good movie. What is the story about? Is it interesting or engaging? Or will it be nothing but space battles and combat like you suggest? Saying it should have been like this in very general terms is meanlingless.

I dunno, I think there's a point there. Arguing that the film has to have a story is well and good--obviously it has to be written well (and heck, that is where Insurrection failed).

But as for whether a DS9/Dominion War connection would be a bad idea, I would disagree. People don't know jack about most real-life wars, but that doesn't stop them from being popular films if they're well made. And as for fictional wars, people didn't know jack about the war between the Rebel Alliance and the Empire, or the war between John Connor's army of meatbags and the righteous forces of Skynet, but these conflicts were well-received.

It might be overreaching to say that an action-oriented Star Trek 9 would have "saved the franchise"--God knows Nemesis sure as hell didn't--but at least it might have made a more interesting substitute for Insurrection for the Trek fans, and a more accessible/cool story to the casual filmgoer as well.

The only major flaw if trying to do a TNG Dominion movie is that the DS9 writers will have to form their story arcs around it. Depending on what the TNG crew was up to, if the story dealt with a major part of the war, then the DS9 writers have their hands tied with the war a good year before they get there (as movie scripts are written a good 1-2 years before an episode airing on the same date as the movie is written). You just know the DS9 writers, particulary ISB, wouldn't stand for that (he was mad enough when the Defiant was used in First Contact). And if it is just some brush fire in the war, then the stakes are not as high as they could be (which, I felt, was one of INS's problems).

 

[JarodRussell]

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I always thought that they should have done a TNG / DS9 crossover movie to end the Dominion War. That would have been pretty epic.

 

[mirandafave]

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What a ridiculous argument.

Listen, I like DS9. It probably is the best constructed series of the spin-offs. However, the fact remains that it was not popular in regards to TNG and especially TOS. It often seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle with Voyager on the air at the same time. The fact that the TNG movies did not play into DS9 is not the reason why the TNG movies were lukewarmly received at best.

Also, having a TNG movie surrounding the central storyline of DS9 does not automatically equal a good movie. What is the story about? Is it interesting or engaging? Or will it be nothing but space battles and combat like you suggest? Saying it should have been like this in very general terms is meanlingless.

I dunno, I think there's a point there. Arguing that the film has to have a story is well and good--obviously it has to be written well (and heck, that is where Insurrection failed).

But as for whether a DS9/Dominion War connection would be a bad idea, I would disagree. People don't know jack about most real-life wars, but that doesn't stop them from being popular films if they're well made. And as for fictional wars, people didn't know jack about the war between the Rebel Alliance and the Empire, or the war between John Connor's army of meatbags and the righteous forces of Skynet, but these conflicts were well-received.

It might be overreaching to say that an action-oriented Star Trek 9 would have "saved the franchise"--God knows Nemesis sure as hell didn't--but at least it might have made a more interesting substitute for Insurrection for the Trek fans, and a more accessible/cool story to the casual filmgoer as well.

The only major flaw if trying to do a TNG Dominion movie is that the DS9 writers will have to form their story arcs around it. Depending on what the TNG crew was up to, if the story dealt with a major part of the war, then the DS9 writers have their hands tied with the war a good year before they get there (as movie scripts are written a good 1-2 years before an episode airing on the same date as the movie is written). You just know the DS9 writers, particulary ISB, wouldn't stand for that (he was mad enough when the Defiant was used in First Contact). And if it is just some brush fire in the war, then the stakes are not as high as they could be (which, I felt, was one of INS's problems).

A good logistical point that would have hampered everyone - and perhaps that explains why there was no TNG movie Dominion War. But on DS9 they could have dropped a few lines about a mission the Ent-E took part in rather - a byline or the like.

Or they could have done a Dominion War movie with the Ent-E dealing with some brush fire situation that escalates because stumble upon a dangerous weapon, an attempt to attack Earth or one of the big Fed members, or something along the lines of Insurrection where they feel they had to go against Starfleet which leads to their Insurrection - which was one of my big issues with that film, their reason for defying Starfleet didn't seem that big a deal! Anyway, that's going off topic.

On topic, it would have detracted from DS9 and caused headaches perhaps to have the Big E in the show but I think it would have been very easy to drop a line here or there, particular in the big war episodes, to indicate the Ent-E working in a different war operation.

 

[CaptainStoner]

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A different Sovereign class ship than the Ent-E would have been cool also.

Personally, I prefer the Galaxy design.

 

[mattyhugh]

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A different Sovereign class ship than the Ent-E would have been cool also.

Personally, I prefer the Galaxy design.

I have a certain amount of nostalgia attached to the Galaxy class, but it still seems really top heavy.