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Dune Part 2 2023 (24, 25, 26...)

Mage said:
I would also like to point out....

I said earlier in this topic that I don't really believe that some movies benefit from the big screen. This one really does. I went late in the morning, maybe 10 people there. It was glorious. Nice and quiet, no assholes ruining the experience for you. And yes, it made a difference seeing some of the scenes play out on the big screen.
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Yes but for me it's become rare to actually go to the movies because most of these don't need the huge screen, especially drama or comedy/family movies. This one i just knew i had to experience it on the big screen before i dissect it at home for the xth vieweing.

Tallguy said:
Loved the movie. I knew how badly I needed to see the harvester scene from the first one. I did not know how badly I needed to see Paul's first time riding a worm. The whole thing was a visual and auditory feast. This is why we go to the movies.

I think the two years between films did everyone good. It gave them time to see what worked and what might have been better in the first film. And WOW did Chalamet step up.

But...

These two films misused Jessica terribly. My two favorite characters (Jessica and Thufir) got kind of a raw deal from these films.

I can't help but notice that the word "jihad" is still never said in this film but boy howdy do they get a lot of mileage out of "fundamentalist". They're even "southern fundamentalists".

As others have noted, you can't do every tiny thing or even every moderately sized thing from The Book. But a mitigating measure to that is "don't manufacture a major plot line" (the conflict between believers and non-believers in the Fremen culture).

I can see (I suppose) wanting to avoid the complications of 3 year old who must act like she's 60. And Paul killing the Baron is more direct. Fine.

But ending the movie with Chani and Paul estranged while Jessica stands firmly by his side (as almost the hand behind the throne)? Well and good I guess, but not the same story. It's actually the opposite of the original story where Chani was unswerving and Jessica was the disbeliever (and leaves Paul in the end). I wonder how that will lead to wherever Dune Messiah takes us?

Aside from depriving me of the final line of the book, the movie treats Chani's reaction to Paul taking Irulan as a wife like they're high school sweethearts. "How... How COULD you?!? *sob*" Feh, I say.

Paul says he'll blow up the spice and no one really cares. It's just burning money. It's not bringing the Imperium and the human race to its knees. So the ending was a little anti-climactic.

For all of the things to include, it's amazing that he included Lady Fenring having Feyd's child. Even Herbert went nowhere with that. Gotta say, the Giedi Prime scenes were astonishing.

Oh, and Mohiam engineering the destruction of the Atreidies to end the line was... Well, I was going to say nonsense. Different from the book. But it needs a lot more explaining. Is this the Sisterhood's plan? Is she acting against it?

Paul actually being the Kwisatz Haderach is downplayed because it's a real thing and separate from the Femen "made up" culture that "enslaves" them.

The last scene just need Yoda to say "Begun, the holy wars have."

An amazing film. I'm sure I'll see it again, and I'll certainly buy it when it's available. Still the best Dune adaptation. That's a very low bar and this film clears it admirably.

But I just re-read the last two pages of Dune. And this movie didn't move me half so much.
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I don't know if it's a manufactured storyline with the North vs. South Fremen, Villeneuve took a concept and expanded it on his own to show Paul's struggle with his destiny. Once the Northern Tribes were basically wiped out by Feyd's attack it was the final push and his need for vengeance took over and he took the path he was always afraid too.

I was also surprised to see the rift between Paul and Chani - it worked in the movie and i have serious doubts Villeneuve will make such dramatic changes to allow Paul and Chani to become enemies or Paul and Irulan to actually become a real couple. I am very curious how this story will play out in Messiah, Villeneuve would not have done it if he hadn't planned something special.

Mohiam engineering the destruction of the Atreides was logical for me. Jessica shot their plan to hell by giving Leto a son and they didn't believe they could control him. As is said in the movie they have alternatives, most recent the coming child of Feyd and Margot. What's a delay of a generation or two when they are at it for thousands of years.

I also understand why Villeneuve only used the basic concept of the KH and downplayed Other Memory - it is enough for the story for him to be able to see the future and his terror at what he will unleash ( and his inability to prevent it).
 
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Blue ray is up for pre order at major retailers in various special editions. I'm not seeing if any are IMAX yet though
 
Set Harth said:
Assholes wouldn't have been able to ruin it in my case, at least not in that way, because it was LOUD AS HELL. :beer:
They would have been drowned out!
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Hah! Fair point. At some moments I thought I was sitting in one of those specials seats that vibrate and all, but we definitely weren't.
 
Putting this comment here - along with a spoiler - because it's more generally related to both films rather than being specific to Dune Part 2, but the
reveal that Baron Harkonnen is Lady Jessica's father
has me thinking about a line that was included in Part 1 ("You have a wonderful kitchen, cousin") and makes me wonder if Denis, Jon Spaihts, and Eric Roth might've meant that line to be taken literally (as opposed to Formally, as in the novel), which would actually be a cool little nod to the above-mentioned spoiler.
 
DigificWriter said:
Putting this comment here - along with a spoiler - because it's more generally related to both films rather than being specific to Dune Part 2, but the
reveal that Baron Harkonnen is Lady Jessica's father
has me thinking about a line that was included in Part 1 ("You have a wonderful kitchen, cousin") and makes me wonder if Denis, Jon Spaihts, and Eric Roth might've meant that line to be taken literally (as opposed to Formally, as in the novel), which would actually be a cool little nod to the above-mentioned spoiler.
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Well he said it to Leto. So it's vaguely literal (I don't recall how many time removed) but also just what they call each other.

Which means it's a little silly when Feyd takes Paul literally and with surprise. Because they had always been cousins.

Also Feyd would still only be Paul's first cousin once removed.
 
Tallguy said:
Well he said it to Leto. So it's vaguely literal (I don't recall how many time removed) but also just what they call each other.

Which means it's a little silly when Feyd takes Paul literally and with surprise. Because they had always been cousins.

Also Feyd would still only be Paul's first cousin once removed.
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In the book I took as being one of the words that had been tapped in to the mind as a way to make the muscles go slack, and that cousin was another word meant to do so during combat.

I could be wrong.
 
fireproof78 said:
In the book I took as being one of the words that had been tapped in to the mind as a way to make the muscles go slack, and that cousin was another word meant to do so during combat.

I could be wrong.
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No, he refused to use the conditioned word. Paul makes the "cousin" comment at the start and Feyd just kinda ignores the comment. In the movie Fyed is just like, "oh cool".

They removed the hypnotic word, sedative on Feyds blade, Paul's acid on the blade, and poisoned needle in the movie. Which is fine, works in the book, but that's a lot for the movie.
 
wayoung said:
No, he refused to use the conditioned word. Paul makes the "cousin" comment at the start and Feyd just kinda ignores the comment. In the movie Fyed is just like, "oh cool".

They removed the hypnotic word, sedative on Feyds blade, Paul's acid on the blade, and poisoned needle in the movie. Which is fine, works in the book, but that's a lot for the movie.
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Ok. I must be conflating a couple of things.

I know Paul refuses to use the conditioned word, but I always took it as there was another conditioned word he ended up using anyway by accident.

But that's probably me. The ending fight always reads very strange to me towards the end.
 
fireproof78 said:
Ok. I must be conflating a couple of things.

I know Paul refuses to use the conditioned word, but I always took it as there was another conditioned word he ended up using anyway by accident.

But that's probably me. The ending fight always reads very strange to me towards the end.
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You may be conflating the miniseries with the book. In the mini, when Feyd has Paul on the ground and says he is going to prick him with the poisoned needle, Paul says "It's over, cousin." It surprises and confuses Feyd and Paul kills him.
 
wayoung said:
You may be conflating the miniseries with the book. In the mini, when Feyd has Paul on the ground and says he is going to prick him with the poisoned needle, Paul says "It's over, cousin." It surprises and confuses Feyd and Paul kills him.
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Possibly, but the book is not much better. I agree the miniseries has Feyd confused, but even in the book Paul says he won't use it, Feyd gasps and then Paul kills him. It's a passage that I reread and still don't think is as clear as it could be.
 
Denis Villeneuve has done a wondeful job with the two Dune movies. I like his visual style in those movies. Is he also gonna direct Dune Messiah or is he going to do Rendezvous with Rama next.

Rendezvous with Rama is one of the first sci fi books that i ever read. I just can't wait to watch it when it comes out.
 
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EmoBorg said:
Denis Villeneuve has done a wondeful job with the two Dune movies. I like his visual style in those movies. Is he also gonna direct Dune Messiah or is he going to do Rendezvous with Rama next.

Rendezvous with Rama is one of the first sci fi books that i ever read. I just can't wait to watch it when it comes out.
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Right now, his plans are Cleopatra (with Zendaya) and the recently revealed "secret project" before he does Messiah. He's made it very clear he wants to do the film but also wants to take a (very understandable) break from Dune first.

As for Rendezvous with Rama, I believe the script is still being written for it but it'll awhile before it's filmed.
 
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EmoBorg said:
Rendezvous with Rama is one of the first sci fi books that i ever read. I just can't wait to watch it when it comes out.
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Haven't they been trying to make a movie out of it for 40 years? I remember that, even though it's a great book, not much actually happens plot-wise. If an adaptation were to be made, a few things would have to be changed.
 
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