Dune Part 2 2023 (24, 25, 26...)

[fireproof78]

They're supposed to be part of the Icons line, which is what they call their adult collectables line now that they've combined them under one name. The super expensive sets. The 5 foot Eiffel tower, as an example, is part of it. Prices higher than the usual sets, not going for as much mass market appeal.

Which sucks because 5 years ago the adult premium sets actually cost less on a per brick basis than reg Lego. Then Lego saw how popular they all were and ramped up the price.

The pricing of Lego is stupid nowadays. I have almost given up on it.

 

[wayoung]

The pricing of Lego is stupid nowadays. I have almost given up on it.

Yeah I used to do one or two major adult sets a year. Then my marriage fell apart and covid hit, and I bought a lot because it was a hobby I could do alone in my apartment not affected by the pandemic. I was paying high prices for the sets, but the price per brick was still less than buying a box of bricks from the store. That was how I justified the expenditure: higher total spend, less per brick = fair value.

Now the adult sets cost double the normal bricks. I haven't bought any since boxing day last year when I got the Tumbler on sale, which brought it down to what would have been the normal price a few years ago.

 

[Unicron]

Some days I worry how future kids will afford their plastic crack.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Some days I worry how future kids will afford their plastic crack.

I haven't in awhile...and it's killing me.

 

[wayoung]

Umbrella Entertainment is taking advantage of the new movie to release a special edition of both miniseries'. 4 disc set, 750 piece lego knock off sandworm, 160 page book, poster, etc. Price is nuts - $220 AUD msrp. Dunno if it's releasing outside of Australia, which I believe currently has a region locked blue for both miniseries'already, and is the only place with them available.

https://shop.umbrellaent.com.au/pro...set-rigid-case-book-artcards-poster-2000-2003

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'm shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked.[/Fry]

 

[wayoung]

I'm shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked.[/Fry]

I'm a little shocked. That price is nuts. There aren't even any new special features, all stuff present in previous discs.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'm a little shocked. That price is nuts. There aren't even any new special features, all stuff present in previous discs.

Nah. I ain't shocked at all. Not even a tiny bit.

 

[Marc]

I'm a little shocked. That price is nuts. There aren't even any new special features, all stuff present in previous discs.

well it is in Australian dollars which around U.S $0.66/CA $0.88 and includes the GST which is 10%.

The product rights would have been paid in $US and the general extra shipping and production cost.

 

[wayoung]

well it is in Australian dollars which around U.S $0.66/CA $0.88 and includes the GST which is 10%.

The product rights would have been paid in $US and the general extra shipping and production cost.

$220 AUD is still $193 CAD/$144 USD. It's not even new transfers. It's the existing 1080p blue rays with the FH Dune special features from the original release 20 years ago added as extra discs (about $40 CAD total if I remember correctly). It's 3x the msrp of the crazy 4k re-release of Lynchs Dune by Acorn last year, which was a full remaster and loaded with special features as well as similar collectibles.

 

[kirk55555]

Umbrella Entertainment is taking advantage of the new movie to release a special edition of both miniseries'. 4 disc set, 750 piece lego knock off sandworm, 160 page book, poster, etc. Price is nuts - $220 AUD msrp. Dunno if it's releasing outside of Australia, which I believe currently has a region locked blue for both miniseries'already, and is the only place with them available.

https://shop.umbrellaent.com.au/pro...set-rigid-case-book-artcards-poster-2000-2003

I just want to say that Umbrella Entertainment's Dune/Children of Dune mini series Blu Rays, at least the standard individual releases, are Region Free. They're listed as such in many places online, so I bought new copies off a US seller and they play fine on my Blu Ray Player. I also got them for about $11 a piece new, so if anyone wants the two mini series on Blu Ray I'd definitely recommend looking out for the Umbrella Entertainment (aka Australian) releases. I think there is even a two in one set release that is also region free, so I'm assuming the really expensive special edition will be the same.

 

[wayoung]

I just want to say that Umbrella Entertainment's Dune/Children of Dune mini series Blu Rays, at least the standard individual releases, are Region Free. They're listed as such in many places online, so I bought new copies off a US seller and they play fine on my Blu Ray Player. I also got them for about $11 a piece new, so if anyone wants the two mini series on Blu Ray I'd definitely recommend looking out for the Umbrella Entertainment (aka Australian) releases. I think there is even a two in one set release that is also region free, so I'm assuming the really expensive special edition will be the same.

Interesting, that's not what it says whenever I looked it up. Out of curiosity I pulled them up on Amazon Canada and Amazon Canada has this warning:

Playback Region B/2 : This will not play on
most Blu-ray players sold in North America,
Central America, South America, Japan
North Korea, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong
Kong and Southeast Asia. Learn more about
Blu-ray region specifications here

How many times have you played them? It could be your blue ray is region free. Also some blue rays allow auto region switching a few times before they lock (something I learned living in Australia for a year).

 

[kirk55555]

Interesting, that's not what it says whenever I looked it up. Out of curiosity I pulled them up on Amazon Canada and Amazon Canada has this warning:


How many times have you played them? It could be your blue ray is region free. Also some blue rays allow auto region switching a few times before they lock (something I learned living in Australia for a year).

I get a lot of my Blu Ray information from Bluray.com, and it lists both as Region Free

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dune-Blu-ray/106754/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Children-of-Dune-Blu-ray/181608/

Also, the BluRays themselves show they are "Region ABC", which in Blu Ray terms is region Free
https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00029369

Here's a pic with the Region Code on the back of both cases:

The ABC Honeycomb shape means Region Free.

Finally, my Blu Ray player is just some random $55 Sony one I got from Wal-Mart on my last Birthday, its nothing special so I doubt it would play a Region locked disc even once. Also, I checked and the Blu Rays also work in my PS4, which (while the games are region free) definitely doesn't play DVDs or Blu Rays that are Region Locked.

So, I'd say that the discs are pretty much definitively All Region/Region Free, and Amazon might just have some generic listing for Blu Rays that are imports that all say they won't work because of region differences. Its probably worth doing a bit of research if there is something you really want, especially since a lot less Blu Rays are region locked then DVDs, which are almost all region locked.

 

[wayoung]

I get a lot of my Blu Ray information from Bluray.com, and it lists both as Region Free

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dune-Blu-ray/106754/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Children-of-Dune-Blu-ray/181608/

Also, the BluRays themselves show they are "Region ABC", which in Blu Ray terms is region Free
https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00029369

Here's a pic with the Region Code on the back of both cases:

The ABC Honeycomb shape means Region Free.

Finally, my Blu Ray player is just some random $55 Sony one I got from Wal-Mart on my last Birthday, its nothing special so I doubt it would play a Region locked disc even once. Also, I checked and the Blu Rays also work in my PS4, which (while the games are region free) definitely doesn't play DVDs or Blu Rays that are Region Locked.

So, I'd say that the discs are pretty much definitively All Region/Region Free, and Amazon might just have some generic listing for Blu Rays that are imports that all say they won't work because of region differences. Its probably worth doing a bit of research if there is something you really want, especially since a lot less Blu Rays are region locked then DVDs, which are almost all region locked.

Thanks Kirk, appreciate it!

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I'd argue that Duncan Idaho is good, at least in Dune. He's also a good guy in Heretics of Dune.

It disturbs me a bit that he married 16-year-old Alia, however.

IRL, on this planet, there have been 16-year olds who got married-the daughter of Bette Davis, B.D. Sherry, became Mrs. Hyman when she married Jeremy Hyman in Hawaii, 1966, with her mom's consent and her mom giving her away; both were married until Jeremy's death in 2017. There was also Catya Sassoon, daughter of hairdresser Vidal Sassoon, who got married at 16 in 1986 to an 18-year old in a Jewish religious ceremony, with her dad's approval and him giving her away; some people are strange, and get married at strange times.

No matter that she had multiple lifetimes stored up in Other Memory, she only had 16 years' worth of personal experiences and a neglectful mother who scampered back to Caladan at the earliest opportunity, abandoning her 4-year-old daughter to be raised by Paul, Stilgar, and Harah - none of whom knew how to deal with someone who was Pre-Born.

That is part of the tragedy of what happened to Alia when she was exposed to the pre-Water Of Life bile; having a shitload of race memory inside her at birth, which drove her insane eventually. As for her mother, yes, she was like that, but too much of being the Fremen Reverend Mother-mother to the Lisan Al-Gaib got to her, enough that she couldn't take Alia back with her to Caladan to raise her and help her deal with being Pre-Born.

 

[Timewalker]

IRL, on this planet, there have been 16-year olds who got married-the daughter of Bette Davis, B.D. Sherry, became Mrs. Hyman when she married Jeremy Hyman in Hawaii, 1966, with her mom's consent and her mom giving her away; both were married until Jeremy's death in 2017. There was also Catya Sassoon, daughter of hairdresser Vidal Sassoon, who got married at 16 in 1986 to an 18-year old in a Jewish religious ceremony, with her dad's approval and him giving her away; some people are strange, and get married at strange times.

My point is not that Alia married at 16. My own mother was 16 when she married my dad. He was 25. Some of my mother's aunts gossiped that she must be pregnant, but I didn't come along for another 3 years. She just wanted to get away from her dad (my grandpa) that bad that she dropped out of school the moment she was legally old enough, and jumped at the chance to marry and have her own home and family.

In Alia's case, what disturbs me is that Duncan was already decades older and had no idea at all how to deal with someone like Alia.

Mind you, pretty much everyone among the Atreides had some screwed-up personal thing going on. Duncan's was that he was a ghola and had to contend with reconciling himself with the Hayt identity the Tleilaxu gave him.

That is part of the tragedy of what happened to Alia when she was exposed to the pre-Water Of Life bile; having a shitload of race memory inside her at birth, which drove her insane eventually. As for her mother, yes, she was like that, but too much of being the Fremen Reverend Mother-mother to the Lisan Al-Gaib got to her, enough that she couldn't take Alia back with her to Caladan to raise her and help her deal with being Pre-Born.

Jessica couldn't take Alia back to Caladan with her because:

1. Alia was born and raised in a Fremen sietch. She may have millennia of Other Memory, but the only life she had personally known was as a Fremen. She wouldn't have been happy on Caladan, and the people there wouldn't have known what to make of her.

2. The Bene Gesserit would have killed her. To them, the Pre-Born are Abominations, period. She would have been easy to get to on Caladan, but not so easy to get to on Arrakis, with the Fremen ready to protect the priestess of Muad'dib's religion.

 

[Marc]

That is part of the tragedy of what happened to Alia when she was exposed to the pre-Water Of Life bile; having a shitload of race memory inside her at birth, which drove her insane eventually. As for her mother, yes, she was like that, but too much of being the Fremen Reverend Mother-mother to the Lisan Al-Gaib got to her, enough that she couldn't take Alia back with her to Caladan to raise her and help her deal with being Pre-Born.

in the book in mentions how much Jessica misses Caladan which was probably the only home she’d known other than the Bene Gesserit training school.

So combined that with what she experienced and lost on Arrakis you can’t blame her for wanting to be on the first Highliner out.

She also might not have been allowed to take Alia with her because of the prophecy etc.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

My point is not that Alia married at 16. My own mother was 16 when she married my dad. He was 25. Some of my mother's aunts gossiped that she must be pregnant, but I didn't come along for another 3 years. She just wanted to get away from her dad (my grandpa) that bad that she dropped out of school the moment she was legally old enough, and jumped at the chance to marry and have her own home and family.

In Alia's case, what disturbs me is that Duncan was already decades older and had no idea at all how to deal with someone like Alia.

I'd argue that Alia with her other memories was effectively many thousands of years older than the ghola Hayt created from the reanimated and repaired corpse of Duncan Idaho in a Tleilaxu axlotl tank. I can just imagine Hayt and the Bene Gesserit sisters singing "How do you solve a problem like Alia?" in a musical version of Children of Dune*.

ETA: *That would, truly, be an abomination. "Climb every sand dune..." "I am sixteen going on 50,000..." "The lonely Muad'dib"

 

[Timewalker]

I'd argue that Alia with her other memories was effectively many thousands of years older than the ghola Hayt created from the reanimated and repaired corpse of Duncan Idaho in a Tleilaxu axlotl tank. I can just imagine Hayt and the Bene Gesserit sisters singing "How do you solve a problem like Alia?" in a musical version of Children of Dune*.

ETA: *That would, truly, be an abomination. "Climb evry sand dune..." "I am sixteen going on 50,000..." "The lonely Muad'dib"

Yeah, since "Alia" is pronounced with the stress on the first syllable, not the second.

Quinn's videos have really spread an abomination of mispronunciations over the years.

Otherwise, a musical parody of Dune based on The Sound of Music is a rather cool idea. I know I usually come across as wanting nothing but strictly accurate interpretations, but parodies can be fun if they're approached with the source material firmly in mind.

One of the funniest books I've ever read is National Lampoon's DOON. It tells the story of young Pall Mauve'bib, whose father was outmaneuvered by Baron Hardchargin (with the secret help of Emperor Shaddup IV). Can Pall and his mother survive in the wilds of DOON, while avoiding the giant pretzels?

All that said... Alia may have an immense number of generations' worth of ancestral memory to draw on, but only 16 years' worth of personal life experience. After all, none of those Other Memory women lived the life that Alia has. There are things they couldn't begin to advise her about.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Yeah, since "Alia" is pronounced with the stress on the first syllable, not the second.

Quinn's videos have really spread an abomination of mispronunciations over the years.

Otherwise, a musical parody of Dune based on The Sound of Music is a rather cool idea. I know I usually come across as wanting nothing but strictly accurate interpretations, but parodies can be fun if they're approached with the source material firmly in mind.

One of the funniest books I've ever read is National Lampoon's DOON. It tells the story of young Pall Mauve'bib, whose father was outmaneuvered by Baron Hardchargin (with the secret help of Emperor Shaddup IV). Can Pall and his mother survive in the wilds of DOON, while avoiding the giant pretzels?

All that said... Alia may have an immense number of generations' worth of ancestral memory to draw on, but only 16 years' worth of personal life experience. After all, none of those Other Memory women lived the life that Alia has. There are things they couldn't begin to advise her about.

I just got that book, have read it, and have found it supremly funny. I especially loved the 'Rankout' system of single insult combat.

The pricing of Lego is stupid nowadays. I have almost given up on it.

This is sad, especially considering that LEGO pretty much (IMHO) devastated the plastic model kit market.