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Behold the mighty sandrider!
Behold the mighty sandrider!
Dune Part 2 2023 (24, 25, 26...)
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“Usul has summoned a BIG one!!! Again it is the legend!!!”
Well a hint of the fight at the end aginst feyd rautha and one spot that I'm not sure was the reaction to a prescient vision or when he took the water of life.
I'm pretty impressed by including Margot Fenring, as well as the fight in the arena. Decent humanizing elements of Paul which I do like.
It is so great - i love to see the ecstatic joy of the Fremen when they see Paul ride a Sandworm.
So let's see about the scenes:
- Paul talking to Chani about water and swimming
- Jessica has become a full Sayyadina and is travelling somewhere in a palanquin
- Irulan speculating that Paul may not be dead ( possibly after it comes to be known that the Fremen are unifying and becoming a greater threat, possibly because of rumors that they have a leader)
- Harkonnen burning Atreides stuff
- Jessica and Paul are talking about Leto and revenge ( Paul is possibly telling Jessica of his plan to lead the Fremen in an uprising)
- quick shots of several characters including a first look of Feyd
- a machine gun fires at something below
- a group arrives at possibly a sietch that contains the Water of Life ( or they make it there for Jessica's trial to become a Sayyadina)
- Paul fights either a Harkonnen or a Sardaukar
- quick shot of Feyd screaming in the arena
- Jessica gasps, possibly after she drinks the Water of Life, her eyes are full on blue ( looks gorgeous)
- Paul sets up a thumper, Chani looks worried and scared, Stilgar gives him advice
- Paul manages it with some difficulties and he is a full Fremen now
- the Fremen and especially Chani are overjoyed that he rides the worm ( loved Stilgar's expression of awe)
- a squadron of Ornithopters is approaches a small mountain ( possible Sardaukar attack on a sietch?)
- Feyd fights in the arena while Margot is watching ( still no Hasimir, wonder why)
- Jessica (?) is being escorted by Fremen
- Paul and Chani kiss in the desert
- Jessica (?) is captured by Harkonnen and Margot is watching her ( or i am mistaken about the actresses but they look like them to me) - can't recall Jessica being captured though in the book, so it may be a normal Fremen woman about to be interrogated
- Feyd and Margot are close to each other ( Margot quite possibly seducing him as a contingency for the Kwisatz project)
- quick cuts leading to Jessica having an argument with Paul and Paul erupts "That's not hope!" ( love the outburst delivery by Chalamet)
- Paul approaches a large gathering of Fremen
- the final fight between Feyd and Paul with the iconic line "May thy blade chip and shatter!"
- Paul has adressed the Fremen and they all roar in excitement, this is the scene where he unites them to take the fight to the Harkonnen and the Empire
Soooo great. Did i miss anything?
So let's see about the scenes:
- Paul talking to Chani about water and swimming
- Jessica has become a full Sayyadina and is travelling somewhere in a palanquin
- Irulan speculating that Paul may not be dead ( possibly after it comes to be known that the Fremen are unifying and becoming a greater threat, possibly because of rumors that they have a leader)
- Harkonnen burning Atreides stuff
- Jessica and Paul are talking about Leto and revenge ( Paul is possibly telling Jessica of his plan to lead the Fremen in an uprising)
- quick shots of several characters including a first look of Feyd
- a machine gun fires at something below
- a group arrives at possibly a sietch that contains the Water of Life ( or they make it there for Jessica's trial to become a Sayyadina)
- Paul fights either a Harkonnen or a Sardaukar
- quick shot of Feyd screaming in the arena
- Jessica gasps, possibly after she drinks the Water of Life, her eyes are full on blue ( looks gorgeous)
- Paul sets up a thumper, Chani looks worried and scared, Stilgar gives him advice
- Paul manages it with some difficulties and he is a full Fremen now
- the Fremen and especially Chani are overjoyed that he rides the worm ( loved Stilgar's expression of awe)
- a squadron of Ornithopters is approaches a small mountain ( possible Sardaukar attack on a sietch?)
- Feyd fights in the arena while Margot is watching ( still no Hasimir, wonder why)
- Jessica (?) is being escorted by Fremen
- Paul and Chani kiss in the desert
- Jessica (?) is captured by Harkonnen and Margot is watching her ( or i am mistaken about the actresses but they look like them to me) - can't recall Jessica being captured though in the book, so it may be a normal Fremen woman about to be interrogated
- Feyd and Margot are close to each other ( Margot quite possibly seducing him as a contingency for the Kwisatz project)
- quick cuts leading to Jessica having an argument with Paul and Paul erupts "That's not hope!" ( love the outburst delivery by Chalamet)
- Paul approaches a large gathering of Fremen
- the final fight between Feyd and Paul with the iconic line "May thy blade chip and shatter!"
- Paul has adressed the Fremen and they all roar in excitement, this is the scene where he unites them to take the fight to the Harkonnen and the Empire
Soooo great. Did i miss anything?
I enjoyed the following comment on YouTube more than I probably should have:
"Fun fact: Cristian Bale gained 450, 000 pounds to play the Sandworm in the film."
This looks really promising. I expect Count Hasimir Fenring's character has been subsumed into Margot Fenring's somehow. Not really a problem for me, given the omissions in the first part.
"Fun fact: Cristian Bale gained 450, 000 pounds to play the Sandworm in the film."
This looks really promising. I expect Count Hasimir Fenring's character has been subsumed into Margot Fenring's somehow. Not really a problem for me, given the omissions in the first part.
I love the "Long Live the Fighters" cards in the trailer.
I know I asked this before but does anyone know what the music is as part of the trailer track?
I know I asked this before but does anyone know what the music is as part of the trailer track?
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It looks like Villeneuve decided to copycat the TV miniseries by having Irulan in that scene. In the miniseries she challenges Fenring and Shaddam, as she digs into the truth of what happened to Paul and Jessica; this was never part of the novel, as Irulan's presence in the novel is limited to her historian role at the beginning of each chapter and her presence on Arrakis at the end, when Paul states that he intends to marry Irulan to gain the throne; she tells an upset Shaddam, "Here's a man fit to be your son."
I don't recall that Fenring accompanied Margot to Geidi Prime when she fulfilled her assignment to seduce Feyd and conceive a daughter. This was the Bene Gesserit's way of preserving Feyd-Rautha's genes for the ongoing breeding project. They didn't see Paul as the actual Kwisatz Haderach they wanted, so they simply continued the program. It's already been ongoing for over 10,000 years, so what's another few generations after yet another bad result?
There are no scenes in the latter part of the novel where an adult female is captured (unless you count Irulan's presence in the Imperial party and Mohiam with the Bene Gesserit who were with the Emperor). Jessica's capture is already over and done in the first movie. No Fremen woman would allow herself to fall into Harkonnen hands alive if she could possibly help it, and the only female character who was captured was Alia - all of 4 years old, and she allowed herself to be taken, in order to both find out what the Imperial party was up to, and to sabotage it any way she could.
Hopefully Villeneuve doesn't copycat Lynch and make Harah one of the fighters. She wasn't in the novel. She was Paul's servant, nursemaid to Alia, and later married Stilgar (though that happened in a later novel).
It's actually not good if he's omitted, since he's part of the reason for Paul's actions in the final part of the story. Paul recognizes Fenring as a part of the Kwisatz Haderach program that failed, and feels some sort of bond with Fenring as another unwilling participant in the Bene Gesserit's genetic manipulations.
Besides, Fenring is Shaddam's favorite advisor, so it makes no sense not to have him there.
Irulan should have been in the first movie.
She isn’t really in the first book. They gave her more screen time in the miniseries since they wanted to give the character more depth as they planned to do the sequel as well.
I'm not sure about Fenring - for the character to work one needs much more background and Paul is internalizing his discovery that he's a failed but close Kwisatz Haderach. Now this can be done through an inner monologue but it may just confuse the general audience. I don't believe Hasimir is vital to the story in general and especially to the movie as he only has a few lines in the book and is otherwise a background character. It would also look weird to an audience and much asking to believe that a 50s something advisor could take on Paul at his prime at the end of the movie and have a realistic chance of defeating him.
I get why Irulan is not in the movie because she just doesn't have anything to do in the first half of the book other than provide exposition and Villeneuve did that through other means. In the second half though she does become important even if only at the end when Paul uses her politically to take over power. It seems to me though that her role might be expanded a bit based on the trailer, i don't recall her "investigating" the situation on Arrakis - she's basically just name dropped a few times in the book until the end. The next book though she becomes more important, it could well be that Villeneuve is hedging his bet on building this character if he or someone else decides to make a third movie.
I'm still wondering how they will tackle some major plot points - Other Memory has not even been hinted at so what will happen in the movie once Paul drinks the Water of Life? What powers will it give him he doesn't already have? It would be difficult to introduce such a complicated ability in just this movie since so much is happening. I just hope this won't become Villeneuve's version of Weirding Modules to write something that wasn't in the book because the original description would be too complicated.
I doubt the movie will get too complicated or dig too deep - it has to keep the attention of the general audience too and not just us book fans and the basic plot points are easy to follow ( Paul gains the Fremen trust and respect, they make him the overall leader - he leads them into rebellion, frees Arrakis bit by bit until he finally faces off against the Emperor and because he's able to destroy the Worm/Spice cycle he assumes complete command over the human civilization becoming the new Emperor).
I wonder about the rights issue.RE Irulan. From the brief moments with her it seems she has the same arc as in the miniseries, but the miniseries role of her believing Paul survived the attack and investigating it was created entirely by the miniseries production team. It's a unique plot point specific to that production. I wonder if they dropped cash or are just saying "fuck you" to Comcast.
I have only been able to see it once on my phone in less than ideal conditions but I liked it, other than showing Paul's fight with Feyd. Hopefully that's a vision, not the actual final battle.
I have only been able to see it once on my phone in less than ideal conditions but I liked it, other than showing Paul's fight with Feyd. Hopefully that's a vision, not the actual final battle.
That's because she didn't. The miniseries greatly expanded her part, and Julie Cox knocked it out of the park. She made Irulan my favorite miniseries character, and that's some doing, because in the novels Irulan is a really unlikeable character whose one redeeming feature is balking at even the suggestion that she cause Chani to miscarry if she becomes pregnant. FH's first draft of Dune Messiah actually killed her off, as one of the many victims of a Fremen mob when they came to kill Mohiam.
Fortunately he changed his mind, or we wouldn't have had the fantastic version of Irulan in the miniseries.
Since Villeneuve already said several "fuck yous" to Lynch, why would he balk at copying the miniseries as he copied Lynch, while simultaneously bragging that he's following the novel faithfully?
Looks like it might be better than the first part, I'll give it that.
Yeah!! And Part One was already frigging awesome, so that says something about Part Two!!
Gotta save something for the second trailer!
IIRC, we didn't see the Baron untill the second or third trailer for the first movie, right?
Keeps you coming back.
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