Jessica is pregnant in the first film.
Dune Part 2 2023 (24, 25, 26...)
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We'll find out in March. Though technically Alia was in Part 1, that is we see baby Alia in Paul's vision of the future.
As @Tallguy said, Jessica is pregnant during the first one.
I'd have to rewatch the trailers but I swear I saw a quick shot of a blue eyed young girl. I could be wrong.
I know many people that love the book do not enjoy Villeneuve's take here, but I feel he has kept true to many key elements, so I feel Alia will be part of this, since she is so crucial to the story at the end.
I'd have to rewatch the trailers but I swear I saw a quick shot of a blue eyed young girl. I could be wrong.
I know many people that love the book do not enjoy Villeneuve's take here, but I feel he has kept true to many key elements, so I feel Alia will be part of this, since she is so crucial to the story at the end.
I enjoy his movie more than and other take on Dune and it's an enjoyable film in its own right.
But I don't think he did a good job with the Harkonnen plot with everyone being misdirected into being suspicious of everyone else. Forget wheels within wheels within wheels. This barely had a wheel.
So far I don't think Jessica has been done well in general but I'm optimistic for the second part. AND he (IMHO) screwed up the litany of fear. Yes, we all know it. But if you're just watching the movie and haven't read the books you can barely understand a word of it.
Villeneuve has said that he downplayed the Mentats in favor of the Bene Gesserit but other than the strict mechanics of the Reverend Mother shows up and the Duke mentions that Jessica is Bene Gesserit I don't see it. AND he downplayed the Mentats.
I'm curious to see what part 2 looks like if for no other reason than to see how it works when everyone already knows that spice is needed for space travel by the guild. I almost feel that this is a holdover from Lynch's film.
He also left out the dinner party. Which is the coolest Kynes scene in the book. OTOH he made Kynes awesome enough anyway.
Compared to the book, he might not have done a great job. But compared to making an enjoyable movie at all he did gangbusters.
Oh and I like Chani so far. And he managed to make the fight with Jamis one of the highlights of the film.
ORNITHOPTERS!!!
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I thought so too, but since the most recent trailer was released "Where's Alia?" has been a popular question asked all over the internet. So either everyone else missed that, or we're seeing someone else and assuming it's Alia.
You raise a few good points. Going deep into the Mentats and the Bene Gesserit is very difficult for any take on Dune. Non of the adaptions so far did that quite well if you ask me. Though I agree about the wheels within wheels within wheels. Sardaukar dressed as Sardaukar was something that annoyed me. And yes, the litanny did kinda suck.
I 100% agree with you that the dinner scene is a MUST. It is important on so many levels. You raised Kynes's role in it, but for me Paul being aware of the mechanics at play before his mother was, also is an important part of that entire scene for me.
That is absolutely possible. From what I remember it was a blink and you missed it shot, so I'm just guessing it wasn't her.
I really don't mind leaving out a scene or two. I mean, we already have two movies a over 5 hours runtime. Herbert has so much in just that one book that we'd be seeing 7 or 8 hours runtime to capture it all.
Consider LOTR. Even the Special Editions didn't capture everything, and IIRC, that was 7 hours over two discs. (Tom Bombadil, Hobbitton, to name two)
Some things just need to be edited out when translating a good book to the screen. Only two books that I know of have ever been faithful to the screen.
- 2001: A Space Odyssey - And that's only because the book and film were written simultaneously. But, they have different endings. (Gotta love collaborations between strong-willed individuals)
- The Seven Percent Solution - A Sherlock Holmes novel. The book was little more than a pamphlet (exaggeration, but not much of one), so they could include everything without issue.
Consider LOTR. Even the Special Editions didn't capture everything, and IIRC, that was 7 hours over two discs. (Tom Bombadil, Hobbitton, to name two)
Some things just need to be edited out when translating a good book to the screen. Only two books that I know of have ever been faithful to the screen.
- 2001: A Space Odyssey - And that's only because the book and film were written simultaneously. But, they have different endings. (Gotta love collaborations between strong-willed individuals)
- The Seven Percent Solution - A Sherlock Holmes novel. The book was little more than a pamphlet (exaggeration, but not much of one), so they could include everything without issue.
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Certainly not my criticism. There are lots of scenes that can (and should be) left out. Would I have liked to have seen the confrontation between Jessica and Thufir? Hell yes. But that was a tertiary idea where the movie was leaving out secondary (and primary!) ideas that it would have depended on.
I mention the dinner scene because it does a lot of work on a lot of levels. But it's also very focused on the politics and the dynamics of how the Atreides are handling this new situation. But the movie wasn't focusing on any of that. So it's not really a surprise that it got left out.
My complaint is that there are ideas that (I think) should have stayed in the movie and used the same scenes to emphasize them.
I was shocked (and pleased) at how much of Paul and Jessica's fleeing after the attack was included and it was awesome. Paul's ambition (as survival) for the throne was very much in keeping with the tone of what had been left out before those scenes.
Duncan was a better character in the movie than he was in the book, although Herbert just kind of assumed we would remember who this person who barely appears is and have emotions about his death.
I fully expect that Part 2 is going to put lots of emphasis on scenes that are off screen in the book. A large part of the last section of the book concentrates on Paul doing one thing (spoilers) and then contemplating his next move. A lot of what we've seen in the trailer is stuff we hear about after it happens.
Fair points.
I loved Duncan. And, knowing how much he matters to the rest of the series, I love that I loved him. I hope non-readers had the same reaction to his character.
I loved Duncan. And, knowing how much he matters to the rest of the series, I love that I loved him. I hope non-readers had the same reaction to his character.
Compared to the book, it is ok. It misses some points, changed some details for the sake of pacing. But, as a narrative film it works very well. It has a big improvement of crafting characters that feel living znd breathing.
I personally only found the Mentats lacking and Kynes lacking. The Harkonnen plot was too on the nose, especially with Sardukar dressed in their standard armor. But, as quibbles go they are minor.
I think part 2 will be strong. I still prefer parts of the miniseries to this film.
TV can be used very well to do books. Just look at Game Of Thrones.
Well, until the last season. Starbucks, anyone?
I mean, I don't stress over the adaptation process like I use to. Before, I found minor inconsistencies very frustrating and would boycott whole works. Now, it's ok. It's their movie, not a book.
Minor? No, I don't. But, S8 of GoT can't be written off as minor. It was rushed to the point of being, "Once upon a time, they lived happily ever after. The end."
Haven't seen it. Don't care about it. I'm sure it wasn't but minor to me is how Dune has largely been handled un adaptation.
While I never watched Game of Thrones, I am aware the final season is not held in high esteem, to be polite about it. That said, as far as I'm aware, the Starbucks cup was only a minor issue and is usually treated as a joke rather than an example of the season's flaws.
Two more I can think of:
- The Maltese Falcon (they literally typed the book up as a script)
-The Color Purple (1985) (which was an amazing feat for an epistolary novel)
I absolutely agree though that it's rare because there's usually so much more in a book that either can't or shouldn't be translated to the screen.
What novels did Lucas adapt?
Just saw the Dung parody on Futurama. Is he the Quizno’s Cadillac?!
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