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Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

I had vague memories (as haven't seen the TV CoD for a while) that James McAvoy did his fight scenes pretty well (in a speeded-up kind of way)
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I had vague memories (as haven't seen the TV CoD for a while) that James McAvoy did his fight scenes pretty well (in a speeded-up kind of way)
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I'm only half way through on my re-watch of the Dune mini-series but they used something similar when Jessica and Paul first encounter Stilgar and hs Fremen in the cave.
 
I had vague memories (as haven't seen the TV CoD for a while) that James McAvoy did his fight scenes pretty well (in a speeded-up kind of way)
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That's nearly what I envisaged although without quite as much Flash-like speed. I thought a Prana-bindu adept would appear to be in several places at the same time -- sort of like a quantum superposition -- only resolving as completely solid whenever he/she struck an opponent.
 
,Leto was already part worm at that point and had his super speed. That's what that clip is demonstrating, not Prana Bindu weirding combat.

IMO, the mini overpowered the bene gesserit combat style - turning it more into magic than science. Prana Bindu is complete control over every muscle in your body. The results should still exist in the realm of physical possibility - not what is essentially transporting like the mini had it. Yoga taken to an absolute extreme.
 
IMO, the mini overpowered the bene gesserit combat style - turning it more into magic than science. Prana Bindu is complete control over every muscle in your body. The results should still exist in the realm of physical possibility - not what is essentially transporting like the mini had it. Yoga taken to an absolute extreme.
Hmm I took as it a extremely fast movement due to the control - think of the expression lightning fast reflexes.
 
Hmm I took as it a extremely fast movement due to the control - think of the expression lightning fast reflexes.
Sure the control provides fast movement but it's still bound by human possibility. The mini has people standing/sitting still and magically moving somewhere nearby virtually instantaneously without ever changing their pose. Bene Gesserit combat is in no way described as such in the books. That's turning a feet of human control, training, study, and practical and turning it into magic.
 
,Leto was already part worm at that point and had his super speed. That's what that clip is demonstrating, not Prana Bindu weirding combat.

IMO, the mini overpowered the bene gesserit combat style - turning it more into magic than science. Prana Bindu is complete control over every muscle in your body. The results should still exist in the realm of physical possibility - not what is essentially transporting like the mini had it. Yoga taken to an absolute extreme.
Yeah, my memory of the description of Prana-bindu must have become corrupted in my imagination to include elements of the space-time folding abilities of the Guild navigators plus prescient ability to sense possible future paths. Also Leto II is part worm as you mentioned and I do seem to recall that CoD states that this confers super speed and strength. A lot of the "science" in FH's Dune novels is magic, based on our current understanding, but at least it is self consistent within its universe.
 
Yeah, my memory of the description of Prana-bindu must have become corrupted in my imagination to include elements of the space-time folding abilities of the Guild navigators plus prescient ability to sense possible future paths. Also Leto II is part worm as you mentioned and I do seem to recall that CoD states that this confers super speed and strength. A lot of the "science" in FH's Dune novels is magic, based on our current understanding, but at least it is self consistent within its universe.

Absolutely. It's fantastical, but it follows it's own logic in that everything has a biological explanation - even if that explanation is BS. A lot like Trek that way:)
 
The problem with visualising prana-bindu is that the whole point of it--like just about everything to do with the Bene Gesserit--is that it's supposed to be outwardly subtle.
All it would look like to the outward observer is that the practitioner has freakishly quick reflexes. Hard to do that without it just looking like run of the mill (for movie reality, not actual reality) martial arts. And if you push it too far into the improbable, you're in Matrix territory and it's going to look less like a physical discipline and more like a physics defying magical power.
 
Can we dispel with the idea that Lynch didn't understand or even read Dune. He was a huge Dune fan. In fact he turned down directing Star Wars to be able to direct Dune. You may not like some of his choices but he needed a way to work around technology limitations at the time and being able to truncate the novel. You also have to remember his original cut was well over three hours and he had no say in the final edit when a lot of his footage was excise a lot to get it down to the little over two hour film it was. This is the main reason he won't come back and do a directors cut. Lastly Frank Herbert really liked the script for the movie, even participating in help writing it with Lynch. Herbert loved Lynches version so much, he compared his original Dune script to garbage. He kept photographs stills from the movie around the house and was looking forward to working with Lynch again on Dune 2.
 
True, but Herbert's script sucking is pretty much a given - not many novelist's can transfer their skills to screen writing. It's a very different type of writing. So Herbert saying his script sucked when compared to Lynch's is faint praise ;)
 
I love bits of Lynch's adaptation and either loath or laugh at others but the whole is definitely much less than the sum of its parts. The movie attempts to condense a vast and detailed mural onto a 6-inch canvas.
 
I once toyed with the idea of trying to do a fan-edit, replacing the nostalgic but mostly crappy effects shots in Lynch's Dune (Third Stage Edition, of course) with approximate scenes from the two mini-series.
 
My opinion of Paul's refusal was always that he didn't think humanity would survive the typhoon struggle. He was raised from birth by Gurney and Co being told that stagnation was death - which is exactly what he says the golden path is when he meets Leto in the desert. .

The Obstacle is the Path
 
So Villeneuve got an Oscar nom for Arrival. Means he's got some more clout going forward if he wants this to be made that badly.
 
I would very much like to see it. I have always been a big Dune fan since a freshman in High school when I first read the trilogy.
 
Frank Herbert is one of my favorite authors (The Dune series and The Dosadi Experiment). It would be fantastic to see Dune given its due faithfully adapted as a big screen movie.
 
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