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Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

Point of Order: Zendaya is not Mary Jane. Her character is know as MJ, but MJ in this case in fact means Michelle Jones.

Where's that at? In Nova Scotia, theatres have been reopened since early July, and so far have not been a factor in any of our positive Corona cases.
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I don't watch Marvel. I've never seen Game of Thrones or Guardians of the Galaxy. The last Star Wars movie I saw was the one in which Han was killed off, and haven't had any interest since. Han was my favorite character, so without him, I don't see the point in watching further (just my own preference; don't take this as criticism of other fans' preferences). I haven't even seen the prequel trilogy all the way through. I really did try, but they're so damned boring, I just can't force myself.
This makes me chuckle because Oscar Isaac's character is one of the first characters on screen in the Star Wars movie were Han is killed.
No surprise there. People are desperate for normalcy, but don't understand that it isn't safe until there's a vaccine.
It won't ever be 100% safe. Some people are willing to take the risk (including myself, given the mortality rate).
 
My bet is you guys have seen Chalamet, just didn't know it. He was the son in Interstellar, the young private in Hostiles, and King Henry in last year's The King on Netflix.

His biggest films are arthouse features/targeted at the female audience though so assuming most of the people posting in this thread are guys it's not a surprise we haven't been exposed to him much.


Now this I understand. His role was so small compared to Cooper's daughter Murph
 
okay that might be local shutdown rather than cinemas being shutdown across the province.

Yeah, I said affected theatres, not all theatres. But Covid has been slowly rising province wide for a couple weeks after trending downwards and that's at least one theatre with infected staff closing after opening weekend so I would be expecting more to come. I'd also expect there to be other theatres with infected staff who simply haven't been tested. Not to mention all the guests, taking off masks during the film, sitting in the same room breathing the same air for 2 - 3 hours, cycling in a new group immediately after all day and night.... Movie theatres are recognized as potential super spreaders for a reason.

As much as I'd hate missing Dune/Bond/Tenet in theaters, unless we have a remarkably mild winter and Drive ins somehow remain open my asthmatic self who already almost ended up in hospital this January for respiratory illness will likely be skipping any theatrical films for a long time. Not worth potentially causing permanent damage to my lungs and heart, or spreading it to those I love.
 
I'd have to look it up but Stanton pretty much owned it and (as odd as this sounds) I do know some people who work in Hollywood and pretty much stated the same. Take that for what its worth.
Oh, OK. I just didn't think a director was usually involved in the marketing, I thought that was all handled by the studio or outside companies.
When Dune was written is irrelevant. It's about a feudal society in which women have traditional roles, and they have to be either in a religious order (the Bene Gesserit or Sayyadina) or of very high rank to have any real power. That's how it was in real history, and it's how it was in the Dune novels, which were partially based on historical feudalism.
Just because it was based on an era where there was that kind of sexism, doesn't mean a story created today will have to follow it. There are plenty of sci-fi and fantasy stories that are inspired by history that have found a way to work more gender equality into the story than there was in real history.
 
Oh, OK. I just didn't think a director was usually involved in the marketing, I thought that was all handled by the studio or outside companies.
From what I have gathered (again could be wrong) John Carter was a huge passion project and it all kind of fell on one guy because of that passion.
 
Just because it was based on an era where there was that kind of sexism, doesn't mean a story created today will have to follow it. There are plenty of sci-fi and fantasy stories that are inspired by history that have found a way to work more gender equality into the story than there was in real history.

More to the point though: I'd dispute the assertion that women *couldn't* hold significant power. We saw such a narrow slice of Imperial society that one cannot really draw any definitive conclusions; the upper echelon of two noble houses out of a hundred, plus the Fremen. The latter of which has women in VERY powerful positions. Indeed they control what passes for the priesthood in what is a *very* religious sect. The fact that they're expected to be as skilful fighters and desert travellers as any male member of the tribe speaks volumes. Yes there are some very strict social orders but that's a necessity born of their harsh environment.
Hell, we're not even sure that all of the "Great Houses" are all necessarily feudal. Ix after all is specifically described as a technocracy IIRC. So long as they pay their Imperial levies, and adhere to the forms of the Great Convention, the Golden Lion Throne probably couldn't give two hoots what social order or method of governance each and every one of it's million subject worlds adopts.

The closest we get to anything specific is a scene in GEoD involving one of the Duncan gholas that indicates that attitudes regarding sexuality in the time of the first book was (at least as far as Duncan was concerned) of the heteronormative persuasion.
 
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Don't even try to go there. I said nothing about skin color. Do not make this out to be something it isn't.

Take it easy buddy! I NEVER said YOU made it about skin color. I simply stated it's not an issue. I mentioned it because it's something that is generally a part of the same conversation these days and I went beyond just Liet-Kynes and talked about general discussion on gender/skin color when a character is cast in a way that hasn't been done before or is slightly different than the source material. If gender/skin isn't important to the character arc, than it shouldn't matter who's cast. Michael Duncan Clark as Kingpin for example.
In the case of Liet-Kynes, I simply don't agree it should matter if she's a woman in this adaptation.
 
I already explained why Liet-Kynes has to be male.
Well, again, this is different. There are different premises accepted for the film, than what Herbert established for the novels. That's why it's an adaptation, not a copy. How well these differences work is something that remains to be seen, but it's not a priori unworkable just because it's different in this way.
 
Interest definitely piqued. Don't like the gom jabar design but the ornithopter finally looks distinctive enough to warrant the strange name.
 
I'm sold on this. Been sold. Take my money.

Denis Villeneuve is the best major director in the industry right now.

I just hope this is successful so we can see more Dune films. I doubt it will happen though. Expecting a lukewarm box office.
 
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