Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

[thribs]

Hell, I didn’t know Mary Poppins was a book until recently.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hell, I didn’t know Mary Poppins was a book until recently.

I worked in a bookstore for years. I might have a leg up on some folks.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Hell, I didn’t know Mary Poppins was a book until recently.

Wow my mind is completely blown by that

 

[theenglish]

What, really? I mean, it's only written by one of the most notable sci-fi authors ever.

Though personally, I don't really care for Heinlein's stuff, though. The guy wrote manifestos, not stories.

In all honesty, I didn't know the movie was based on a Heinlein novel when it came out. The man wrote a lot of books.

 

[thribs]

So from the pics it looks like they are going for a more subtle blue eyes for this new adaptation. I get why since it looks a little silly if it was more vibrant but I kind of liked that. Maybe it becomes so the more spice you take.

 

[fireproof78]

Though personally, I don't really care for Heinlein's stuff, though. The guy wrote manifestos, not stories.

Depends on the book. "Space Cadet" is a fun space adventure that I think Star Trek owes a lot to. "Podakyne of Mars" is an interesting slice of life piece from the perspective of a Martian teen girl." "Stranger in a Strange Land" is overly long but has some interesting bits around humanity accepting alien life.

I think its "Citizen of the Galaxy" that really gets fun with the politics of Venus, Mars and Earth. Heinlein also had fun with alien creatures, like the "Venerian dragon" in that book, or the Venus faeries in "Podakyne."

Not all his books are manifestos is all I'm saying

 

[FPAlpha]

Except, those are facets of world building rather than central features.

Herbert set out to write an ecological book based upon his experiences in Oregon. His book definitely explores the nature of of ecological relationships, adaptation, as well as the dangers of relying upon tradition and prophecy leading to humanity's stagnation, and the decline of empires. It also is a spiritual work, weaving in a wide variety of religious traditions.

And, as @JD said do not just Dune by Lynch's work, anymore than I would just Starship Trooper's based upon Verhoeven's work.

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In a way it could also be a companion series to Asimov's Foundation series where another large human empire stopped evolving and was doomed to fail due to its stagnation which is also a central theme in the Dune series.

Dune just uses supernatural/fantasy elements to further the story while Asimov strictly remains in science territory to resolve the situation. Both brilliant and influential works in Science Fiction.

 

[The Wormhole]

Depends on the book. "Space Cadet" is a fun space adventure that I think Star Trek owes a lot to. "Podakyne of Mars" is an interesting slice of life piece from the perspective of a Martian teen girl." "Stranger in a Strange Land" is overly long but has some interesting bits around humanity accepting alien life.

I think its "Citizen of the Galaxy" that really gets fun with the politics of Venus, Mars and Earth. Heinlein also had fun with alien creatures, like the "Venerian dragon" in that book, or the Venus faeries in "Podakyne."

Not all his books are manifestos is all I'm saying

It was actually while reading Stranger in a Strange Land that I came to the realization that his books were manifestos rather than stories, having previously read Starship Troopers and Farnham's Freehold.

 

[fireproof78]

It was actually while reading Stranger in a Strange Land that I came to the realization that his books were manifestos rather than stories, having previously read Starship Troopers and Farnham's Freehold.

That's fair. I definitely struggled through that one. But, there are others that are enjoyable by him that are less manifesto-ish.

 

[Samurai8472]

David Lynch has said in a recent interview with The Hollywood Reporter that he has zero interest in watching the upcoming adaptation. Given that he considers his adaptation an old shame of his due to executive meddling affecting the production and refused to be involved in the extended cuts, hence why he was credited as Judas Booth for said cuts.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-im-living-now-david-lynch-director-1290834

This week they released a few photos from the new big-screen adaptation of Dune by Denis Villeneuve. Have you seen them?

I have zero interest in Dune.

Why’s that?

Because it was a heartache for me. It was a failure and I didn’t have final cut. I’ve told this story a billion times. It’s not the film I wanted to make. I like certain parts of it very much – but it was a total failure for me.

You would never see someone else’s adaptation of Dune?

I said I’ve got zero interest.

 

[The Wormhole]

hence why he was credited as Judas Booth for said cuts.

I thought it was Alan Smithee?

 

[Colonel Midnight]

One can definitely see the effect Leto II was going for right now IRL with the quarantine... How many posts or threads on the various Social media sites are of the variety, ‘Can’t wait for this to be over to go... Somewhere!!’

This is only after 30-60 days in quarantine - imagine 2500 years of it, essentially, under the God Emperor’s rule. Whoa.. lol.

Cheers,
-CM-

 

[Tosk]

I thought it was Alan Smithee?

It's both. The director was Alan Smithee and the screenwriter was Judas Booth. (IIRC)

 

[wayoung]

So from the pics it looks like they are going for a more subtle blue eyes for this new adaptation. I get why since it looks a little silly if it was more vibrant but I kind of liked that. Maybe it becomes so the more spice you take.

That's what happens in the book. Light spice use causes no discolouration, slight addiction causes a blue tinge, people who are heavy addicts have deep navy in navy eyes. The movie obviously didn't want to obscure the actors eyes though - at least in these promo shots - and just made the whites more bluish.

Dune just uses supernatural/fantasy elements to further the story while Asimov strictly remains in science territory to resolve the situation. Both brilliant and influential works in Science Fiction.

Foundation less fantastical than Dune?!?!

Pyschohistory is no more scientific than prescience. One just pretends to be based on math, the other genetics. Also, psychics and empaths and hive minds, oh my!

 

[Anwar]

Pyschohistory is no more scientific than prescience. One just pretends to be based on math, the other genetics. Also, psychics and empaths and hive minds, oh my!

At least the Foundation series ended up admitting that Psychohistory WAS unreliable and things only went the way they did due to some super-psychic mind subtly pushing everything the way it wanted.

 

[wayoung]

At least the Foundation series ended up admitting that Psychohistory WAS unreliable and things only went the way they did due to some super-psychic mind subtly pushing everything the way it wanted.

Not sure your point? A super psychic mind sounds mighty fantastical to me.

Edit: I just remembered this, wasn't there also a planet of genetically engineered humans who are now hermaphrodites that live in total isolation but have the ability to create electricity from their brain?

Again, I'm not shitting on Foundation, I'm just saying you can't claim it's not fantastical.

 

[Marc]

At least the Foundation series ended up admitting that Psychohistory WAS unreliable and things only went the way they did due to some super-psychic mind subtly pushing everything the way it wanted.

Nope.

you're confusing things with mule who was a mutant with physic powers, something for which Physcohistory couldn't account for and the Second foundation who used advanced mathematics and had knowledge of how Phsycohistory worked (the Foundation had only the base knowledge and was guided by the holographic recordings left by Seldon).

 

[wayoung]

Nope.

you're confusing things with mule who was a mutant with physic powers, something for which Physcohistory couldn't account for and the Second foundation who used advanced mathematics and had knowledge of how Phsycohistory worked (the Foundation had only the base knowledge and was guided by the holographic recordings left by Seldon).

I thought he meant the hive mind with the super psychic mind comment.

 

[Anwar]

Nope.

you're confusing things with mule who was a mutant with physic powers, something for which Physcohistory couldn't account for and the Second foundation who used advanced mathematics and had knowledge of how Phsycohistory worked (the Foundation had only the base knowledge and was guided by the holographic recordings left by Seldon).

I was talking about Gaia, actually.

Wasn't it eventually revealed that it was using it's psychic powers to make the Universe follow behavior that Psychohistory could more easily predict?

 

[thribs]

That's what happens in the book. Light spice use causes no discolouration, slight addiction causes a blue tinge, people who are heavy addicts have deep navy in navy eyes. The movie obviously didn't want to obscure the actors eyes though - at least in these promo shots - and just made the whites more bluish.

I kind have figured that was the case but it makes it look more alien the bluer they are. Them only going slightly blue seems too subtle.
I also liked that in the movie and miniseries that they had a slight glow in the dark.