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Dukat - the Real Star of DS9???

The context of the episode indicates that the evacuation warning was received in time and everyone was able to get off the planet...

There's no way to be sure of that sort of thing in real life. So the only way it could absolve Sisko is if he was breaking the fourth wall and knowing that being the lead Character of the story nothing could happen that would invalidate his presence on DS9.

It seems to be what you're arguing here.
 
I finally finished DS9 with a 6 episode mini-binge on New Years Eve. In the final episode, it is made clear that the "Prophets" caused Cisco to be created for the exclusive purpose of throwing Gul Dukat into the fire caves along with the book of the wraiths. IMO, that further supports a notion that Dukat was the real star of the show. No, I'm not going to run a lengthy battle to defend this point of view, in fact, I clearly acknowledge that the main characters were the real meat of the show. It is just that Dukat was the alpha and the omega of the story and I think Mark Alaimo did a great job bring him to life.
 
I finally finished DS9 with a 6 episode mini-binge on New Years Eve. In the final episode, it is made clear that the "Prophets" caused Cisco to be created for the exclusive purpose of throwing Gul Dukat into the fire caves along with the book of the wraiths. IMO, that further supports a notion that Dukat was the real star of the show. No, I'm not going to run a lengthy battle to defend this point of view, in fact, I clearly acknowledge that the main characters were the real meat of the show. It is just that Dukat was the alpha and the omega of the story and I think Mark Alaimo did a great job bring him to life.

Keeping in mind that the story of the pah wraiths keeps changing throughout the show. And that no one knew the outcome, not even the writers five or six episodes before the finale. I liked Dukat as a villain better before he went berserk after the evacuation of DS9 by the Dominion. I think they (the writers) weakened him after that.
 
I am sorry but I for one will never call a man, who drops poison on children under ANY set of circumstances, principled, I may call him a bunch of other things that need not be said to be guessed but none of them will ever be a synonym for principled.

I am sorry, i don't recall these episodes so well.
Who poisoned which children ?

I am rewatching DS9 atm again, i am in saeson 5 atm ^^
 
I am sorry but I for one will never call a man, who drops poison on children under ANY set of circumstances, principled, I may call him a bunch of other things that need not be said to be guessed but none of them will ever be a synonym for principled.

I am sorry, i don't recall these episodes so well.
Who poisoned which children ?

I am rewatching DS9 atm again, i am in saeson 5 atm ^^

"For The Uniform"
 
Ah yeah i co-incidently just watched it.
I agree, that is that weird screwed-up reasoning in that episode.
But obviously, everything what Sisko does it harmful only if ppl are exposed longer than a few minutes to the substance released.
Sure thing....
No permanent damage to the innocent - not from shiny Sisko.
Not the most glorious moment in all DS9.
Most disgusting thing is what Dax said at the end of the episode: "u know what ? sometimes i like it when the bad guy wins" oO
 
Think of the CHILDREN!!!

Now do it again!

And again!

Do you hate Sisko yet??? No? Then THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

JD5000, I love reading your above quoted post with your new Picard avatar! And in Picard's voice. :lol:
 
Dukat is one of my all time favorite villains. I liked him best when his evil streak was more subtle than too obvious.
 
Ah yeah i co-incidently just watched it.
I agree, that is that weird screwed-up reasoning in that episode.
But obviously, everything what Sisko does it harmful only if ppl are exposed longer than a few minutes to the substance released.
Sure thing....
No permanent damage to the innocent - not from shiny Sisko.
Not the most glorious moment in all DS9.
Most disgusting thing is what Dax said at the end of the episode: "u know what ? sometimes i like it when the bad guy wins" oO

I thought she sounded like a little toady in that episode and her irrelevant rant about not liking Victor Hugo because his female heroins were two dimensional, sounded ironically self descriptive. What the hell was her function on this trip, definitely not Sisko's conscience at any rate?
 
I finally finished DS9 with a 6 episode mini-binge on New Years Eve. In the final episode, it is made clear that the "Prophets" caused Cisco to be created for the exclusive purpose of throwing Gul Dukat into the fire caves along with the book of the wraiths. IMO, that further supports a notion that Dukat was the real star of the show. No, I'm not going to run a lengthy battle to defend this point of view, in fact, I clearly acknowledge that the main characters were the real meat of the show. It is just that Dukat was the alpha and the omega of the story and I think Mark Alaimo did a great job bring him to life.


Yeesh that whole " Sisko's birth was engineered by the Prophets" thing was a stupid retcon. Really the whole pah-wraith storyline was dumb, not least for how it ended up sabotaging Dukat's character.
 
I finally finished DS9 with a 6 episode mini-binge on New Years Eve. In the final episode, it is made clear that the "Prophets" caused Cisco to be created for the exclusive purpose of throwing Gul Dukat into the fire caves along with the book of the wraiths. IMO, that further supports a notion that Dukat was the real star of the show. No, I'm not going to run a lengthy battle to defend this point of view, in fact, I clearly acknowledge that the main characters were the real meat of the show. It is just that Dukat was the alpha and the omega of the story and I think Mark Alaimo did a great job bring him to life.


Yeesh that whole " Sisko's birth was engineered by the Prophets" thing was a stupid retcon. Really the whole pah-wraith storyline was dumb, not least for how it ended up sabotaging Dukat's character.
Yes, that's exactly what I think!
 
I thought she sounded like a little toady in that episode and her irrelevant rant about not liking Victor Hugo because his female heroins were two dimensional, sounded ironically self descriptive. What the hell was her function on this trip, definitely not Sisko's conscience at any rate?

Hah, you take the words right out of my mouth.
Was excactly what i thought as well.
Ah well, no series is perfect.
 
'Waltz' implies that Dukat went through a bunch of therapy, which clearly didn't work. Is this addressed anywhere else?

I've seen DS9 beginning to end multiple times, it seems like there's a gap in Dukat's character development here.
 
'Waltz' implies that Dukat went through a bunch of therapy, which clearly didn't work. Is this addressed anywhere else?

I've seen DS9 beginning to end multiple times, it seems like there's a gap in Dukat's character development here.

I think the next time we saw him was in Wrongs Darker than Death or Night, where he was getting very petty revenge from Kira by telling her about her mother. How the mighty have fallen!!!
 
Is there anything that leads up to that? Without research, it seems like he's left at being dismissed as the head of the Cardassian military, apparently taken prisoner by the Federation, and then we have 'Waltz'.
 
Is there anything that leads up to that? Without research, it seems like he's left at being dismissed as the head of the Cardassian military, apparently taken prisoner by the Federation, and then we have 'Waltz'.

To be fair it was only as a puppet of the Dominion.
 
To be fair, Dukat was ALWAYS someone's puppet, he never gained the true mastery over the world around him, HIS world in his view, which led to his descent into madness.

He couldn't achieve what he wanted the most, the dude's an exemplary control freak.
 
To be fair, Dukat was ALWAYS someone's puppet, he never gained the true mastery over the world around him, HIS world in his view, which led to his descent into madness.

He couldn't achieve what he wanted the most, the dude's an exemplary control freak.

True, as a dictator he would have probably spent his time micro ruling "his people", like some kind of evil Solomon, in essence.
 
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