Is the "WormHole" really "Micro" sized if a humanoid sized object can fit into it at that point?
Shouldn't it be called a "Mini-WormHole"?
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Shouldn't it be called a "Mini-WormHole"?
There's a rather fundamental fault in the plan of our heroes, rather regardless of the exact specs of the time machine involved.
Spock and Burnham assume Future Michael will have to intervene if the life of Present Michael is threatened. That is, Future Michael is somehow the "direct sequel" to Present Michael, and not just some sort of a Parallel Michael, else she wouldn't feel threatened.
But from this it follows that Future Michael knows about the trap in advance - it was she who planned and executed it, after all!
Now, it would be perfectly possible for them to set a trap that gets Future Michael caught: she would be out of options even if and when she knew it was a trap. But Spock and the rest would need to keep the specifics of the trap secret from the centerpiece, lest Present Michael allow Future Michael to devise a countermeasure. Instead, they hold briefings on the subject!
Otherwise, this one was smooth sailing. A bit arrogant of our heroes to assume they could have wiped out whatever contaminated Control by physically destroying Control. But I guess the bigger question is, what happens to Starfleet and the UFP without Control? Utter Kaos now?
Timo Saloniemi
Spock and Burnham assume Future Michael will have to intervene if the life of Present Michael is threatened. That is, Future Michael is somehow the "direct sequel" to Present Michael, and not just some sort of a Parallel Michael, else she wouldn't feel threatened.
But from this it follows that Future Michael knows about the trap in advance - it was she who planned and executed it, after all!
Now, it would be perfectly possible for them to set a trap that gets Future Michael caught: she would be out of options even if and when she knew it was a trap. But Spock and the rest would need to keep the specifics of the trap secret from the centerpiece, lest Present Michael allow Future Michael to devise a countermeasure. Instead, they hold briefings on the subject!
Otherwise, this one was smooth sailing. A bit arrogant of our heroes to assume they could have wiped out whatever contaminated Control by physically destroying Control. But I guess the bigger question is, what happens to Starfleet and the UFP without Control? Utter Kaos now?
Timo Saloniemi
For a brief moment, I did wonder if it was going to turn out to be Mirror Burnham in the suit... did we ever get confirmation as to her fate in the MU?
As for the UFP without Control, Cornwell made it sound like a shortcut system - Admirals would feed data in and advanced machine learning would identify patterns in the database and give tactical advice, but still up to the Admirals as to whether to act on it. So not chaos without it, just a bit less quick to respond, perhaps.
It almost sounds like Mycroft Holmes - a "central clearing house" for information from disparate expert sources, saying offhand how one item might affect another.
As for the UFP without Control, Cornwell made it sound like a shortcut system - Admirals would feed data in and advanced machine learning would identify patterns in the database and give tactical advice, but still up to the Admirals as to whether to act on it. So not chaos without it, just a bit less quick to respond, perhaps.
It almost sounds like Mycroft Holmes - a "central clearing house" for information from disparate expert sources, saying offhand how one item might affect another.
Aha, I stand corrected. The terminology was indeed used in both, I was conflated by its artificial generation in “Pathfinder” and forgot about the temporal displacement in the earlier appearance.
Mark
I assume Control is the same system as written in David Mack's novel.
I had to read that up on Memory Beta. Certainly sounds like it, and by the way it was presented it will be one of the biggest incorporations of a literary plot device (sic) from the novelverse as I've ever known.
Other quick obeservations:
- Essof Four is a candidate planet because it's got "so much deuterium", again showing a pretty weird interpretation in Trek of what deuterium actually is and how it can power things.
- The zoom-in to the sickbay is notable for a few things. First, that for whatever reason, there's an opening protected by a forcefield close to the sickbay. One wonders if this is an actual vent, meant to be used quickly where simply flipping a switch would be easier than opening a manual barrier. Naturally, there ought to be a physical barrier as a backup. Since Discovery's had the shuttlebay open since the first episode of the series I don't see why they DON'T have this as well, plus we've seen from an episode of DS9 that sneaking in through an opening to the outside protected by a forcefield under normal operating circumstances is a precedent of sorts.
- Zooming back from the zoom-in, we get a look at one of the connecting spokes on the saucer where Burnham and Tilly may have been running before, or maybe the deck under it (if you believe that the spokes are really thin but two decks tall). It seems to have side windows, which begs the question of whether the various spokes are the same or if each one is different somehow.
- And I can't be sure, but the very last set of windows on the zoom-in shows a crew member NOT wearing any sort of blue window. I'm pretty sure they're NOT naked, but at this point in this show, some "Disney's The Rescuers" shenanigans wouldn't be out of character. :P
- Finally, the way the sickbay is oriented at the end of the zoom-in suggests that THIS examination room is only one deck below the bridge deck, and that the rabbit's tooth windows are not ALL facing the outside. They're apparently blacked out anyway, but I'm guessing that these rooms are suspended from the ship's internal latticework, and if they weren't blacked out you'd see worker bees or turbolifts zipping by.
- Uniform talk: Spock has been cleared of all charges and all that, but while Burnham slips back into her usual uniform, he stays in civvies (and even changes to a different overcoat, which he can't possibly have brought with him). Even if he's not technically returned from leave, I mean, SHOULDN'T he be back in uniform? The same goes for Culber, who is on at least limited duty here but still ends up in 21st century off the rack. Good thing Georgiou gets a fancy black version of the EVA suit to call her own.
Mark
Other quick obeservations:
- Essof Four is a candidate planet because it's got "so much deuterium", again showing a pretty weird interpretation in Trek of what deuterium actually is and how it can power things.
- The zoom-in to the sickbay is notable for a few things. First, that for whatever reason, there's an opening protected by a forcefield close to the sickbay. One wonders if this is an actual vent, meant to be used quickly where simply flipping a switch would be easier than opening a manual barrier. Naturally, there ought to be a physical barrier as a backup. Since Discovery's had the shuttlebay open since the first episode of the series I don't see why they DON'T have this as well, plus we've seen from an episode of DS9 that sneaking in through an opening to the outside protected by a forcefield under normal operating circumstances is a precedent of sorts.
- Zooming back from the zoom-in, we get a look at one of the connecting spokes on the saucer where Burnham and Tilly may have been running before, or maybe the deck under it (if you believe that the spokes are really thin but two decks tall). It seems to have side windows, which begs the question of whether the various spokes are the same or if each one is different somehow.
- And I can't be sure, but the very last set of windows on the zoom-in shows a crew member NOT wearing any sort of blue window. I'm pretty sure they're NOT naked, but at this point in this show, some "Disney's The Rescuers" shenanigans wouldn't be out of character. :P
- Finally, the way the sickbay is oriented at the end of the zoom-in suggests that THIS examination room is only one deck below the bridge deck, and that the rabbit's tooth windows are not ALL facing the outside. They're apparently blacked out anyway, but I'm guessing that these rooms are suspended from the ship's internal latticework, and if they weren't blacked out you'd see worker bees or turbolifts zipping by.
- Uniform talk: Spock has been cleared of all charges and all that, but while Burnham slips back into her usual uniform, he stays in civvies (and even changes to a different overcoat, which he can't possibly have brought with him). Even if he's not technically returned from leave, I mean, SHOULDN'T he be back in uniform? The same goes for Culber, who is on at least limited duty here but still ends up in 21st century off the rack. Good thing Georgiou gets a fancy black version of the EVA suit to call her own.
Mark
All the more reason to see him back on duty, IMO. 
I'm guessing the producers want to see a bigger variety of threads for our main characters; but in practice both he and Culber should really be recalled to active duty if they're both doing all this official work. Even on limited responsibilities, they ARE doing work again and should be in uniform.
I'm guessing the producers want to see a bigger variety of threads for our main characters; but in practice both he and Culber should really be recalled to active duty if they're both doing all this official work. Even on limited responsibilities, they ARE doing work again and should be in uniform.Spock does not think he is fit for duty?
Perhaps Essof Four has water relatively highly enriched in D2O?
Perhaps Essof Four has water relatively highly enriched in D2O?
Indeed, we could say there's no point in getting excited about gold mines since there's gold in the seawater. But that gold isn't exploitable, while veins underground are; similarly, pools of deuterium, as in VOY "Demon", are a good thing, while deuterium in seawater is not.
...I thought Mack had been told to write that into a tie-in novel, and was quite surprised to find out that this S31:Control novel everybody is keen to mention actually dates back to 2017!
Does the opening lead anywhere, though? Or does the forcefield just cover some sensors, or the elusive torpedo tubes, or something?
Might well be. Or then the wall elements all come pre-perforated not because there's the option of having these as outer walls, but because every room needs openings for things like ventilation or holoprojectors or whatnot.
Perhaps not on Pike's ship - remember those two teens in civvies in "The Cage"?
I'd have much appreciated if only this S31 type of suit had the Jaffa helmet that folds into itself - tech stolen by S31 from the Klingons but not widely distributed...
Timo Saloniemi
...I thought Mack had been told to write that into a tie-in novel, and was quite surprised to find out that this S31:Control novel everybody is keen to mention actually dates back to 2017!
Does the opening lead anywhere, though? Or does the forcefield just cover some sensors, or the elusive torpedo tubes, or something?
Might well be. Or then the wall elements all come pre-perforated not because there's the option of having these as outer walls, but because every room needs openings for things like ventilation or holoprojectors or whatnot.
Perhaps not on Pike's ship - remember those two teens in civvies in "The Cage"?
I'd have much appreciated if only this S31 type of suit had the Jaffa helmet that folds into itself - tech stolen by S31 from the Klingons but not widely distributed...
Timo Saloniemi
My brain might have switched the words because deuterium didn't sound right for what they were trying to convey, but I thought the line was that Essof 4 was rich in dilithium?
It's definitely deuterium. And in modern technobabble, dilithium doesn't give you any power. It's only good for building machines that can give you power if you have antimatter in your tanks. Deuterium is a much better choice for describing a locally available source of easily exploitable energy... It's literally something you can pour into your fuel tanks as is.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Deuterium is also real and is actually attainable / process-able
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium#Abundance
ST:ENT had an episode about bartering for it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marauders_(Star_Trek:_Enterprise)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium#Abundance
ST:ENT had an episode about bartering for it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marauders_(Star_Trek:_Enterprise)
I'd always just assumed they were coming back from the ship's expansive tennis courts. Or B-deck. B for Beach Party.Perhaps not on Pike's ship - remember those two teens in civvies in "The Cage"?
Mark
An early sign of the great powers of the Talosians, projecting Pike's own kids to the corridor of his starship to check whether he would notice and care. No reaction: he's ripe for having his extremely preoccupied mind messed with, big time.
Never mind time travel, where did the Angel get that resurrection beam? I could grok teleporting of tri-ox, but Burnham supposedly was burned out from the inside, he blood clogged with carbon monoxide, only her eyes somehow protected from extensive corrosion. How far into the future would she need to go to get that tech? Or is it straightforward spinoff from time travel tech, selectively reversing physical events? Now that would have major implications!
Timo Saloniemi
Never mind time travel, where did the Angel get that resurrection beam? I could grok teleporting of tri-ox, but Burnham supposedly was burned out from the inside, he blood clogged with carbon monoxide, only her eyes somehow protected from extensive corrosion. How far into the future would she need to go to get that tech? Or is it straightforward spinoff from time travel tech, selectively reversing physical events? Now that would have major implications!
Timo Saloniemi
Michael Burnham, Timefleet Agent from the 29th century. (its okay...she was born in 2826, and transported back because the history books said she was there to start the war with the Klingons for the optimal timeline)
James T. Kirk still get a temporal violation because he hits of her as "Spock's sister", causing a minor rift in spacetime, no wait, their friendship that lasted until the last act of the episode and was promptly forgotten about the next week.
James T. Kirk still get a temporal violation because he hits of her as "Spock's sister", causing a minor rift in spacetime, no wait, their friendship that lasted until the last act of the episode and was promptly forgotten about the next week.
A copy of Burnham's mother was sent to the future an imperceivable interval before her death?
Sounds about right given how vast UFP territory is.
Remember not every ship can be out at all times, a significant portion of the fleet will always be in for maintenance for a few months to a year depending on the situation.
Some will be in training for the crew.
Some will be deployed out there doing what they need to do, ergo executing their missions.
And Enterprise is the only ship in the quadrant... 
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