And given we still don't really know why that was (other than an edit from the producers), the Intrepid is a good precedent.
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Well the Show's Tech Manual says it has to do with the subspace damage mentioned in TNG.
But that's never mentioned on screen, so yeah.
Yeah the tech manuals have Voyager's pylon shifting and the long tapered Sovereign-class nacelle designs as two different ways to prevent subspace damage by the high end warp fields. The Defiant....naw, who cares, its the brute force warship, no need to save the universe.
Eventually, they realized all they needed to do was swap in hardened alloy warp coils so they could switch to unleaded antimatter, and the problem would be taken care of.
Yeah, the ones that already had orcas factory-installed are much better off. Although there's always the one freak who insists on tardigrades, and to hell with standardization and streamlining of MRO.
If anything, it appeared the ship prepared to jump to warp right after delivery of the Albino. I agree the regular stealth mode, which was disengaged simultaneously with the unfolding, is incompatible with warp, hence the simultaneity. It need not be incompatible with beaming, though.
Standard, perhaps, but certainly not mandatory. And S31 probably wouldn't go for "standard" much.
Beaming out through shields has never been quoted to be technologically difficult or hazardous or anything. The inexpert Ambassador Fox did it easily enough, without even triggering any alarms. And beaming in and out through cloaks is so easy that even Kirk's posse in their slowly dying BoP managed that without bothering the good citizens of San Francisco.
Other limitations might complicate S31's deep penetration operations, though. If their ship can't go to warp while semi-invisible and vice versa, they may need a more capable asset for contacting Mother L'Rell. What might that one look like? Then again, if Klingons can't see the ship, there's a good reason to fail to show it to the audience, too...
Timo Saloniemi
If anything, it appeared the ship prepared to jump to warp right after delivery of the Albino. I agree the regular stealth mode, which was disengaged simultaneously with the unfolding, is incompatible with warp, hence the simultaneity. It need not be incompatible with beaming, though.
Standard, perhaps, but certainly not mandatory. And S31 probably wouldn't go for "standard" much.
Beaming out through shields has never been quoted to be technologically difficult or hazardous or anything. The inexpert Ambassador Fox did it easily enough, without even triggering any alarms. And beaming in and out through cloaks is so easy that even Kirk's posse in their slowly dying BoP managed that without bothering the good citizens of San Francisco.
Other limitations might complicate S31's deep penetration operations, though. If their ship can't go to warp while semi-invisible and vice versa, they may need a more capable asset for contacting Mother L'Rell. What might that one look like? Then again, if Klingons can't see the ship, there's a good reason to fail to show it to the audience, too...
Timo Saloniemi
That was probably basically the conclusion. They probably fitted a kind of catalytic converter to sort the problem, as all the older ships appear unchanged and go at more than Warp 5.
Yep, and when they moved to the warp engines, the first concept was that the blue grill on the side would be hinged at the front and flap open like big radiator fins to expose the coils inside. "Variable geometry" was probably just some fun technical words that was applied to Voyager's flapping engines after the fact (if not by coincidence), though I don't have a copy of the TNG manual nearby to see the exact context.
In-universe, only one of the capabilities or attributes of the Voyager was indicated to be new: the gel-pack computers. The flapping nacelles, the ability to operate from planetary surfaces, the EMH or, say, the agility were never said to be unique to the ship type or a new thing for Starfleet.
So there's nothing particularly controversial about the S31 vessel as such. That the nacelles and fins open clickety-clack simultaneously with "decloaking" is obviously for a reason, but we might never learn this reason, just as we never learned it in the VOY case. The one thing we can probably rule out, just as with VOY, is that it would be related to landing on planets; there doesn't appear to be any advantage or disadvantage from either position in that respect.
Timo Saloniemi
So there's nothing particularly controversial about the S31 vessel as such. That the nacelles and fins open clickety-clack simultaneously with "decloaking" is obviously for a reason, but we might never learn this reason, just as we never learned it in the VOY case. The one thing we can probably rule out, just as with VOY, is that it would be related to landing on planets; there doesn't appear to be any advantage or disadvantage from either position in that respect.
Timo Saloniemi
I nearly forgot the date-check, and almost regret the decision to bring it up.
At the beginning of "The Vulcan Hello", Burnham records the stardate as 1207.3, which is 05/11/2256 on Earth. Stardates in the first season are only rarely given, but are as follows for the record (from Memory Alpha):
Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad: 2136.8 - 2137.2
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum: 1308.9
What's Past Is Prologue: 1834.2
In "Point of Light", which is arguably still just weeks or months after this, Burnham now establishes the stardate as... 1029.46.
Now, we KNOW that even in TOS the date schema made little sense, but served as a vaguely useful detail on the rough passage of time. Here though, it's a Hidden figures? Calendar recalibration? Martin-Green flubbing a line in the ADR booth? We may never, ever know...
But to recall, the next known date is "Where No Man Has Gone Before", which takes place on stardates 1312.4 to 1313.8.
Mark
At the beginning of "The Vulcan Hello", Burnham records the stardate as 1207.3, which is 05/11/2256 on Earth. Stardates in the first season are only rarely given, but are as follows for the record (from Memory Alpha):
Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad: 2136.8 - 2137.2
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum: 1308.9
What's Past Is Prologue: 1834.2
In "Point of Light", which is arguably still just weeks or months after this, Burnham now establishes the stardate as... 1029.46.
Now, we KNOW that even in TOS the date schema made little sense, but served as a vaguely useful detail on the rough passage of time. Here though, it's a Hidden figures? Calendar recalibration? Martin-Green flubbing a line in the ADR booth? We may never, ever know...
But to recall, the next known date is "Where No Man Has Gone Before", which takes place on stardates 1312.4 to 1313.8.
Mark
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Another Retcon!?!
For my Head Cannon, I will have the characters tell the audience which version # the current StarDate system is on and justify it with conflicts on StarFleet conventions and use my new method as the current "StarDate" system that is in use.
I would assume in universe that the StarDates are consistent with the era unless they are on a transitioning period ordered by the UFP / StarFleet to change standards which would be incredibly rare and noteworthy.
A lot of work needs to be done to get that converted across all the files / data bases.
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