Spoilers DSC S2's final battle holds its own up against Avengers: Endgame and GoT
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Like I've said, I haven't seen Game Of Thrones, but the opinion I'll trust is the one from the person who likes them both. The person who I know won't be biased toward one show and automatically hostile toward the other on reflex. Fortunately, we already have such a person in this thread.
Cyrus still says the GOT fight was better, but isn't afraid to point out its shortcomings either.
Cyrus still says the GOT fight was better, but isn't afraid to point out its shortcomings either.
I guess I saw enough. The darkness issue hadn't occurred to me until I'd seen comments online. Then again I have all the curtains closed and lights off for a full cinematic experience.
The GoT darkness debate is interesting. I thought it was atmospheric and scary, but they also saved a pretty penny not having to do background visual effects.
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Must admit I would have preferred a 1v1 ship battle like we have always received in the past to really drive home the personal nature of the fight being shown to us like we saw in the Wrath of Khan for instance, it was all just a bit too much of a blur when zoomed out or too much was going on when it was zoomed in.
It was overkill, the battle in the pilot episodes was better in that respect, a relatively limited number of Cruisers in a proper choreographed set piece battle with each side showing their strengths and weaknesses.
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It was very dark, it did help with the atmosphere but unless you had the right lighting conditions in the room you were watching it in it was hard to make out some sequences at times.
It gained in atmosphere and mood but it lost some visual detail and depth as a result is the best way I can put it.
I've never seen GOT but I saw the latest Avengers film. And while I understand there are some very, very fervent DSC fans here, comparing each one's battle scenes is like comparing your kid's high school football game to the Super Bowl. Same game, yes, but...come on, really?
Did you guys even see Endgame?
Did you guys even see Endgame?
I didn't see Avengers: Endgame and am not planning to. I've only seen four comic book movies in this entire decade. The last of which was Wonder Woman. Of course, I'm not the one who made the comparison and have already said it's apples and oranges.
To shift the subject slightly: The fact that so many people are going to see it and are talking about it make me want to see it even less. "BUT IT'S GREAT!!!" Great. I believe you. I'm sure it is.
I didn't see Avengers: Endgame and am not planning to. I've only seen four comic book movies in this entire decade. The last of which was Wonder Woman. Of course, I'm not the one who made the comparison and have already said it's apples and oranges.
The fact that so many people are going to see it and are talking about it make me want to see it even less. "BUT IT'S GREAT!!!" Great. I believe you. I'm sure it is.
I didn't say the movie was great. But to your point, comparing a movie with a huge budget to a TV show on a subscription service is not even fair. Endgame could have been a steaming pile of dog poop and the same would still be true.
This is a good reply. It's bad enough that they invent a new superpower for the spore chamber at the literal last second, but given that they knew about all this beforehand, including Leland's inevitable boarding and assault on the bridge, WTF didn't they set up traps along the way?
That's just the false balance fallacy (aka argument to moderation). Besides, nobody here said they dislike Discovery (that I'm aware of). Some of us just think some episodes of discovery lack attributes found in other episodes of other shows. Hell, I'd say the DSC finale lacks attributes found in earlier episodes of the same season. Disco is extremely uneven in its quality. It's frustrating because I really want to like it more than I already do.
And I'm not suddenly more credible for saying that. That's the genetic fallacy.
False balance is a fallacy because things are not inherently equal. A person can find one show qualitatively worse than another for completely consistent reasons, or they may highlight certain flaws in one show to highlight a specific type of argument. Trying to split things down the middle is constraining at best, and misleading at worst.
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Yes, it was pretty good. It stole from Voyager is so many ways!
Adamantly opposed to it.
Sorry, but the space battle in the season 2 finale was just stupid. Waaaaay over the top. I don't understand the showrunner's obsession with throwing a million things on the screen at the same time (be they: asteroids, debris, laser blasts, or drone ships) and thinking that instantly makes a scene impressive.
It doesn't.
Even if you do go for quantity and scale, there's a way to do it right. Sacrifice of Angels being a key example. Memorable iconic shots that leave you in no doubt what's happening.
There was so much going on on screen in the last episode I didn't know what I was looking at.
Can anyone honestly remember anything from the space battle? Apart from the torpedo lodged in the Enteprise. Does anything actually stand out in your mind, a few weeks later, let alone a few years later? Then compare to what you remember from Sacrifice of Angels.
It doesn't.
Even if you do go for quantity and scale, there's a way to do it right. Sacrifice of Angels being a key example. Memorable iconic shots that leave you in no doubt what's happening.
There was so much going on on screen in the last episode I didn't know what I was looking at.
Can anyone honestly remember anything from the space battle? Apart from the torpedo lodged in the Enteprise. Does anything actually stand out in your mind, a few weeks later, let alone a few years later? Then compare to what you remember from Sacrifice of Angels.
Sorry but no way. Discovery is not in the same league as either of those battles. And for me that's taking into account the disappointment of a flying Arrya stark coming out of nowhere surrounded by baddies. I don't see Disco as being even close to those quality wise
Discovery's battle was a 10/10 for lots and lots of superflous fluff that doesn't really have any meaning or significance. I'll remember plenty of scenes from the Battle of Winterfell in ten years time. I barely remember anything from the space battle on Discovery, and I only watched it a couple of days ago. Just lots of generic, pew pew.
The final battle in Avengers: Endgame was pretty uneven
The battle in such sweet sorrow is ok, but a majority of it is hard to follow and messy. I was more interested in what the characters were doing during the battle, than the pew pew.
The battle in GOT 8 X 3 doesn't even rate for me. That episode was garbage.
The fight between Tony, Cap, Thor and Thanos = Great. The Avengers Army vs Thanos's forces, is just a shaky cam mess that is hard to follow
The battle in such sweet sorrow is ok, but a majority of it is hard to follow and messy. I was more interested in what the characters were doing during the battle, than the pew pew.
The battle in GOT 8 X 3 doesn't even rate for me. That episode was garbage.
I didn't see Avengers: Endgame and am not planning to. I've only seen four comic book movies in this entire decade. The last of which was Wonder Woman. Of course, I'm not the one who made the comparison and have already said it's apples and oranges.
To shift the subject slightly: The fact that so many people are going to see it and are talking about it make me want to see it even less. "BUT IT'S GREAT!!!" Great. I believe you. I'm sure it is.
I get that. I'm frankly surprised at how interested I became in the series. Never really read comic books other than Star Trek as a kid, and I generally can't get into this sort of thing (couldn't stand X-Men, never saw any of the Spider-Man movies), but I caught the first Captain America movie flipping channels in a hotel once, and got hooked.
For me, they feed something similar to Star Wars in me: a genre series in fictional world that, unlike Trek, I'm not particularly invested, so I can roll with it. They make me laugh. But you certain do you. I've never seen ET or any of the Rocky films for similar reasons.
Why opposed?
I haven't seen ET in its entirety either. Only bits and pieces on TV over the years. "But you're an '80s kid!" I haven't changed that much.
Speaking of other comic book movies, this will sound like heresy, but I like Tim Burton's Batman movies better than the Dark Knight Trilogy.
Because I'm burned out on all the Avengers stuff. I'm simply worn out by it all, and I'm tired of seeing it everywhere. It has infiltrated all the things I like, including Star Wars and Star Trek. Just tired.
