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DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

I've been rewatching ds9 on Netflix and I gotta saw that I love the show now more than ever. and as far as who has the worst pilot in sci fi that has to go to babylon 5 with the gathering which was the worst ever made. though I the show did get better after s2 on that one. where ds9 was strong and constant all the way through.
I've been watching DS9 also on DVD, just started on S7 yesterday, and yea, it's been a really great ride, I only watched it when it originally aired, and again when I first got the DVDs about 5 years ago.

The Gathering, yea, first time through, it's no so great, but, on a rewatch, you can appreciate it much better, when you can see everything being set up for what is to come. (Same goes for alot of the S1 episodes that aren't necessarily so great on a first watch through, they're much better on a rewatch, when you appreciate their foreshadowing and set up much better)
 
It is the only Star Trek series that I turned off during the pilot episode because it was so awful. I never watched the series after that. I have only seen a handful of DS9 episodes. I saw the finale when it aired & it was insultingly dumb, and it wasn't just me who had that exact same sentiment. Every time I watch DS9 it makes me cringe & not want to see more of it.

They had no ship, and just sat on a space station. Sitting of the Station week after week was big turn off. That worked out so well for the series that by season 3 they added the Defiant to help out the serious flagging DS9 series. DS9 was so awful it was the first & only Star Trek series that hired an actor from a previous series (Michael Dorn) to reprise their character role (Worf) as permanent cast member addition. I was shocked that the writers felt that a Star Trek show didn’t need a real ship for exploration & wasn’t surprised that by season 3 they introduced the Defiant as a ship permanently assigned to Deep Space Nine (the runabout idea was a really seemed like someone’s idea of a bad joke since it really wasn’t designed for long range deep space exploration nor was it capable of real defense of the space station).
Now that DS9 is on Netflix I have tried to watch it again. I have gotten 12 episodes in & they are just awful. Even mediocre would be a huge improvement for DS9.
I will give Deep Space Nine credit that once the Defiant was introduced they did encounter more new alien races & explore more that The Next Generation.

I totally agree i`v just started watching it i`m up to episode 12 and i`m bored to tears.

I would certainly rate DSN's first 12 episodes at the very least as good as TNG's first 12, but on balance I would think DSN's are better.

After all it's only fair to both shows to look at the first seasons as they compared to each other, as both shows where still finind their feet in the first season as well as the second season.

To ask a question however, if you say the first 12 episodes of DSN are boring how would you describe the first 12 of TNG?

"Duet" a S1 episode of DSN is generally rated highly as being one of the better episodes in all of Trek.
 
Real life is not only black, only white--or only grey as Jarvisimo suggests.

You are possibly right, and I agree that there could be black and white (since I believe in there being moral truths and natural law).

However, I do use the term grey because we are a species of observers, which television as a medium as opposed to written fiction (particularly in the first person) accentuates.

Since we only do observe one another, and interact through sensory elements, we can both never know the full mental state of another person (and therefore the reasons for their actions) nor the lie of the land outside our limited senses and collective information sources. We therefore judge people and situations based on limited knowledge and criteria. This ultimately sabotages all 'whiteness', and what renders the human condition into, for want of a better word, greyness.

All morally right decisions unfortunately come at a cost, which is why I say the real world is grey.

This can be macrocosmic, such as the people who do not receive aid from today's international charity actions, be it food sourcing, infrastructural development, disaster recovery, arms development, whatever. They are the cost of a direct choice between many options with limited resources & capital on the parts of aid providers (as well as the say of those contributing finances to aid organisations). The noble act cannot prevent some moral culpability for the suffering of some on the part of the distributers for choosing one group over another. Yet this is not to condemn aid providers or financial backers (with whatever conditions they choose), simply to accept the venial cost of human good.

Indeed, also the indirect costs of moral actions render noble or white actions grey (oh, I do hate these terms), be it in a vast action (such as the harm done to innocents through a justifiable UN intervention, such as Bosnia) or - for a microcosmic example - in choosing to help one friend, exhausting oneself and then being either later unable to help or not as able to help another friend or relative experiencing a worse crisis.

This is why I say that though there are moral absolutes, the human condition and the essential ... falleness of the world that prevents simple moral dualisms * render all decisions productive of some harmfulness to other humans, and therefore morally nebulous.

* If we believe that there should be a white-black system akin to that posited by traditional religion, or invented arbitrarily, as was/is perhaps done by traditional religion and done through legal development today.
 
I never watched the series after [tuning out in the middle of the pilot]. I have only seen a handful of DS9 episodes.

So, which of these contradictory statements which appear one right after the other in the OP is it?

I saw the finale when it aired

Okay, that's two.

Every time I watch DS9 it makes me cringe & not want to see more of it.

So, more than two?

No sense reading any more beyond that.
 
I find it ironic DS9 is labelled as the most "boring" of all Treks as there's probably more Space Battling, Fleet Battling and explosions
in DS9 than most of the rest of Trek put together, yet for some reason the casual fans seem to think if they're not in a cool spaceship then nothing will explode, so its not worth watching!

And I've never been sold that Trek is about exploration either, I've always seen it as a show about people in the future dealing with whatever issues come from living in a colourful universe.

As people have been pointing out, the setting is just the backdrop that these stories are told on, whether they're on a ship, station, planet or whatever, the viewers will still get the same quotient of "action" episodes to "thoughtful" episodes, "character" episodes to "comedy" episodes, and gosh, some episodes that aren't that easy to peg into one of them genres, or maybe all of them at once!!

Getting put off by the setting of DS9 is like getting put off by the backdrop of a painting when the main action is right in front of you!

And as a Trek fan, if you ignore any of the series you're missing a big chunk of stories set in a universe you claim to enjoy seeing stories in! That doesn't make sense to me either, you at least have to give them a try before you start shooting your mouth off about it! :p
 
well finally finished my ds9 rewatch and I was wondering if they intentinally pulled a lord of the rings ending?
 
It is the only Star Trek series that I turned off during the pilot episode because it was so awful. I never watched the series after that. I have only seen a handful of DS9 episodes. I saw the finale when it aired & it was insultingly dumb, and it wasn't just me who had that exact same sentiment. Every time I watch DS9 it makes me cringe & not want to see more of it.

They had no ship, and just sat on a space station. Sitting of the Station week after week was big turn off. That worked out so well for the series that by season 3 they added the Defiant to help out the serious flagging DS9 series. DS9 was so awful it was the first & only Star Trek series that hired an actor from a previous series (Michael Dorn) to reprise their character role (Worf) as permanent cast member addition. I was shocked that the writers felt that a Star Trek show didn’t need a real ship for exploration & wasn’t surprised that by season 3 they introduced the Defiant as a ship permanently assigned to Deep Space Nine (the runabout idea was a really seemed like someone’s idea of a bad joke since it really wasn’t designed for long range deep space exploration nor was it capable of real defense of the space station).
Now that DS9 is on Netflix I have tried to watch it again. I have gotten 12 episodes in & they are just awful. Even mediocre would be a huge improvement for DS9.
I will give Deep Space Nine credit that once the Defiant was introduced they did encounter more new alien races & explore more that The Next Generation.

I totally agree i`v just started watching it i`m up to episode 12 and i`m bored to tears.

The first couple of seasons were less than great. So were the first three seasons of TNG, Voyager and Enterprise. There's a pattern there...

The difference is that TNG then got pretty good, Voyager got OK(ish) and Enterprise season 4 was cool.

DS9 however became brilliant...the very best of Trek.

I don't trust people that don't get DS9

:)
 
The first couple of seasons were less than great. So were the first three seasons of TNG, Voyager and Enterprise. There's a pattern there...

The difference is that TNG then got pretty good, Voyager got OK(ish) and Enterprise season 4 was cool.

DS9 however became brilliant...the very best of Trek.

I don't trust people that don't get DS9

:)

:rommie: :klingon:

Love this post! :techman:
 
Well then they have to speed up the process not going to have 3 Seasons to pick up or more then 60 episodes. Going to need to start strong.
 
I must be dim, I never once thought "this is kind of meh" when I first watched DS9's first seasons. I have no problem rewatching them either. I do think once you see how it all turns out you rewatch season 1 with that in mind and makes many things more poignant or meaningful.
 
DS9 was mos def more diverse than any other ST, probably its most notable trait. Only a couple of the main characters were HUMON. It seemed like both TNG and DS9 mimicked the first ep of the OST, very quiet, subdued, boring with allot of assertive button pushing. I was totally weary after watching TNG and Voyager, thinking it really couldn't get any better but once I skipped ahead to season three of DS9....totally locked in. I hope the doubters get a chance to find some enjoyment out it...Sisko is one of my favorite captains presently;)
 
The AV Club has started rewatching DS9, and is very interesting. Already the reviewer sees a superior start to TNG with DS9, and more interesting characters, and this is only at Progress & If Wishes Were Horses.

This is great, thank you so so much for posting! There is something to appreciate about ST progression through the eighties and nineties. Not only did TNG have to bring it due to OST, the pressure was also on to extend towards different genre of audience while still encompassing ST ideals. Voyager was great in the since it had no real connection to the Federation (which reminded me of Book one of the Destiny series) leaving it to the real objective to explore space. DS9 however really expanded the culture of Star Trek and dealt with issues in the area of culture accordingly. Anyway, thanks again!
 
So I didn't feel like wading though 22 pages of this thread, but did the OP ever eventually come to the conclusion that he was totally wrong and that DS9 is in fact the best Star Trek show ever?

The OP admitted he started the thread with the intent to troll, announced he was leaving the thread on page 11 (January 19), and has not made a post anywhere on the BBS since then. And he is greatly missed.

I wonder if he even knows he received a trolling warning?

The OP removed his Voyager avatar and hasn't been here since the beginning of February. Of course, Tidus79001 is an extremely specific user name not likely to be duplicated elsewhere on the internet if you want to do a simple Google search.

If he knows about his trolling warning, all he has to do is reverse the polarity of the subspace energetic particles using an event horizon beacon and bounce the signal off the deflector array into the anti-time anomaly to make it go away.
 
It is the only Star Trek series that I turned off during the pilot episode because it was so awful. I never watched the series after that. I have only seen a handful of DS9 episodes. I saw the finale when it aired & it was insultingly dumb, and it wasn't just me who had that exact same sentiment. Every time I watch DS9 it makes me cringe & not want to see more of it.

They had no ship, and just sat on a space station. Sitting of the Station week after week was big turn off. That worked out so well for the series that by season 3 they added the Defiant to help out the serious flagging DS9 series. DS9 was so awful it was the first & only Star Trek series that hired an actor from a previous series (Michael Dorn) to reprise their character role (Worf) as permanent cast member addition. I was shocked that the writers felt that a Star Trek show didn’t need a real ship for exploration & wasn’t surprised that by season 3 they introduced the Defiant as a ship permanently assigned to Deep Space Nine (the runabout idea was a really seemed like someone’s idea of a bad joke since it really wasn’t designed for long range deep space exploration nor was it capable of real defense of the space station).
Now that DS9 is on Netflix I have tried to watch it again. I have gotten 12 episodes in & they are just awful. Even mediocre would be a huge improvement for DS9.
I will give Deep Space Nine credit that once the Defiant was introduced they did encounter more new alien races & explore more that The Next Generation.

I totally agree i`v just started watching it i`m up to episode 12 and i`m bored to tears.

The first couple of seasons were less than great. So were the first three seasons of TNG, Voyager and Enterprise. There's a pattern there...

The difference is that TNG then got pretty good, Voyager got OK(ish) and Enterprise season 4 was cool.

DS9 however became brilliant...the very best of Trek.

I don't trust people that don't get DS9

:)


Me? I don't trust people who read, like, 2 posts of a 26 page thread and comment on them as if the topic had not evolved in the two intervening months...thus setting the entire thread back WEEKS.

Seriously, people, let's not go back to where we were on page 2, arguing with people who are only here to upset the apple cart.

You guys have been having an interesting discussion. Just continue on with that and ignore those who come in to make one-liner 'agreements' with the original poster...who is long gone himself without a soul in the universe shedding a tear. ;)
 
Me? I don't trust people who read, like, 2 posts of a 26 page thread and comment on them as if the topic had not evolved in the two intervening months...thus setting the entire thread back WEEKS.

Seriously, people, let's not go back to where we were on page 2, arguing with people who are only here to upset the apple cart.

You guys have been having an interesting discussion. Just continue on with that and ignore those who come in to make one-liner 'agreements' with the original poster...who is long gone himself without a soul in the universe shedding a tear. ;)

Well, firstly, that wasn't my first post in this thread and I've read considerably more than the first two posts.

I wasn't trying to set the thread 'back' in any way but the thought occurred to me regarding the early seasons of each show and I put it in writing. I thought it may encourage CAPTAINMAX (not the OP) to persevere with the show.

I'm sorry you are annoyed but you could have just ignored my post...
 
So I didn't feel like wading though 22 pages of this thread, but did the OP ever eventually come to the conclusion that he was totally wrong and that DS9 is in fact the best Star Trek show ever?

The OP admitted he started the thread with the intent to troll, announced he was leaving the thread on page 11 (January 19), and has not made a post anywhere on the BBS since then. And he is greatly missed.

I wonder if he even knows he received a trolling warning?

The OP removed his Voyager avatar and hasn't been here since the beginning of February. Of course, Tidus79001 is an extremely specific user name not likely to be duplicated elsewhere on the internet if you want to do a simple Google search.

If he knows about his trolling warning, all he has to do is reverse the polarity of the subspace energetic particles using an event horizon beacon and bounce the signal off the deflector array into the anti-time anomaly to make it go away.

Oooh, must try. PKTrekGirl, can you give me a warning so I can experiment ...

... wait, what am I saying?
 
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