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DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

Don't know if you've read the entire thread. But the short story is a thread was posted in the VOY forum along the lines of "Voyagers main problems" this thread appeared later. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions

I posted that thread myself. Is it really the reason the OP started this? I thought I was pretty respectful with that thread in the VOY forum. I admitted to watching all seven seasons of VOY and enjoying it. However, I felt the show had its problems, and I hoped I could start a respectful discussion of where it fell short. If you got to the Voyager forum, I hope you can see that my original post was nothing like trollish posting of the OP. I certainly didn't mean to start any nastiness, I merely meant to see how people thought VOY could have improved. Yeesh.
 
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As a long term fan of Trek who is reasonably new to this site I expected to find that most people thought the same way :

Count me as a person that agrees with your assessment, Relayer! I am surprised when some people express hate for one of the series or characters! And even more disappointed when they express their dislike in a very "Un-Trek-philosophy-like" way.....

I'm pretty much on board with Relayer1 as well...although I might like VOY a bit more than he does...and I might like ENT a bit less than he does.

Still, he and I are in the same ballpark.
 
Scorpi had to be one of the better Sci-Fi vllians we had seen in years (at least when Farscape first came out)

Agreed. Although I agree with Lindley at least as far as Ben Linus goes. LOST's Bed Linus was made of awesome. Very well written character, more layered than an onion.


Don't know if you've read the entire thread. But the short story is a thread was posted in the VOY forum along the lines of "Voyagers main problems" this thread appeared later. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions

I posted that thread myself. Is it really the reason the OP started this? I thought I was pretty respectful with that thread in the VOY forum. I admitted to watching all seven seasons of VOY and enjoying it. However, I felt the show had its problems, and I hoped I could start a respectful discussion of where it fell short. If you got to the Voyager forum, I hope you can see that my original post was nothing like trollish posting of the OP. I certainly didn't mean to start any nastiness, I merely meant to see how people thought VOY could have improved. Yeesh.

The sad thing about some folks on this board is that they seem to be so insecure about how their taste in TV appears to others that they just seem to lose it when other people don't like everything that they like. I really don't understand this phenomenon, but it certainly exists here, and has for as long as I can remember. In fact, that issue is the chief reason we have lots of moderators on this board. Blatant flaming and trolling are easy to deal with - a few clicks and you are done with them. It's these arguments and antics of people who feel the need to 'get back' at anyone who doesn't just LOVE what they love...or who are under the impression that even a well reasoned and politely phrased negative discussion about 'their show' is tantamount to Trollapalooza...those are the posters who take up all the time and energy - at least in the Trek forums.

It's very odd, because, even after about a decade as a mod of this forum, I still don't get why a politely phrased negative remark riles some people. When people come into this forum and post the typical DS9 complaints - that DS9 didn't 'go anywhere', that it was a 'space opera', that Dukat sucked toward the end, or my all time favorite: that DS9 wasn't 'true' Trek because it wasn't about space exploration....none of that bothers me in the slightest. As long as they are polite about it, who cares what they think? I love the show, I have my DVD sets, and am perfectly happy if no one in the world but me loves it. I'm set, so who cares what they think? It's a total disconnect to me why some people take it so personally when a complete and total stranger on the internet does not like 'their show'. :lol:

My advice to you, therefore, is to just continue to make sure you are polite in your posting style and try to be diplomatic in your discussion. If you do those things, you are golden. If you haven't had any run-ins with the VOY mods (who I know and like very much, being the reasonable people that they are and all), then I would not worry about it. ;)
 
Don't know if you've read the entire thread. But the short story is a thread was posted in the VOY forum along the lines of "Voyagers main problems" this thread appeared later. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions

I posted that thread myself. Is it really the reason the OP started this? I thought I was pretty respectful with that thread in the VOY forum. I admitted to watching all seven seasons of VOY and enjoying it. However, I felt the show had its problems, and I hoped I could start a respectful discussion of where it fell short. If you got to the Voyager forum, I hope you can see that my original post was nothing like trollish posting of the OP. I certainly didn't mean to start any nastiness, I merely meant to see how people thought VOY could have improved. Yeesh.

You didn't do anything wrong. The OP was just some insecure whiny little bitch. Who cares what other people think of a show you love? Why take something so personal involving a show you have absolutely nothing to do with the creation of?

On the other end, you have someone like Jetfire, who loves a show like Smallville, but isn't delusional about its greatness or watch it with rose-colored glasses on.
 
AllStarEntprise, I think your arguments are mostly fair, but I disagree with this one:

Making the Klingons the antagonist of season 4 and temporarily destroying everything Star Trek TUC did was a shallow attempt to keep interest in the show while the creative team thought up some way to execute their Dominion War. Just dump on the TOS crews greatest accomplishments why don't you.

TNG Yesterday's Enterprise already had told us that the Federation and Klingons were on the brink of war some 50 years after TUC, and indeed would have gone to war for at least 20 years if it hadn't been for Enterprise-C.

Do you really think that if the DS9 team had decided to pursue the Federation-Klingon war idea, it would have been shallow and disrespectful of Trek history? Given what we did see of Klingons in DS9, and Ron Moore being such a big TOS fan, I doubt it.
 
I honestly think a lot of people just aren't into Trek enough to hack more than one or two series. IRL I know many people who count themselves Trek fans but in fact they are only into TNG. They watched it at a time in their life they were primed to get into a series and that time has now passed.. unlike myself they don't spend their whole life getting into sci fi series. They interpret this as "the other series are boring or a soap opera or.. " but really they were never going to actually consume any series with the same enthusiasm as whichever one was their first.

This is ANOTHER surprise for me - really ! I thought most Trek fans would have watched the whole franchise, good, bad or indifferent.

I have, it's all Trek...

:)

I have to take issue with the suggestion that those who don't care for any or even all of the other series as much don't do as good of a job of being Trek fans as others. It's a matter of taste, pure and simple, and as long as those of us who have series we don't like aren't going to other parts of the board and flamebaiting because of it, then I don't see anything wrong with it.

But that's not what I'm saying - taste is a personal thing, and different in every case. We all have series we prefer or don't like as much - me included, BUT IT IS ALL TREK !

I happily watched TOS S3, TNG S1 & 2, DS9 S1 & 2, Voyager and ENT S1 & 2, The Final Frontier and the TNG movies, none of which were (imho) particularly good. There was, however, enough to enjoy in all of them to keep me watching, even if only for completeness sake.

It's not a matter of being a 'better' Trek fan. It's just that I can't imagine not watching a Trek series and I thought most Trek fans would feel the same way, that's all...
 
On the other end, you have someone like Jetfire, who loves a show like Smallville, but isn't delusional about its greatness or watch it with rose-colored glasses on.

That's pretty much me with a lot of stuff. I love Sanctuary but is it a great show? No, it's a ridiculous derivative show but I still love it for reasons other than the plots. Sometimes I think I love Stargate Atlantis more because it is bad, LOL. Sometimes I find myself particularly enjoying the cheesiness of some of the TOS movies. I'm really just so fond of the genre and particular actors and franchises that my relationship to sci fi shows isn't based on the objective excellence of the shows at all.

Most of the time I agree with people's well reasoned complaints about VOY but it has no effect on my high opinion and love of the show.

I don't agree with the "DS9 sucked because it was a space station and never moved" complaint though because that was a HUGE plus for me. I've always loved airports, train stations, transitional spaces that people pass through and I've wanted to experience living on a space station since K7 in The Trouble with Tribbles. DS9 was a wonderful change from planet-of-the-week style episodes yet still managed to explore strange new worlds.. in more depth than any other series IMHO.
 
Most of the time I agree with people's well reasoned complaints about VOY but it has no effect on my high opinion and love of the show.

If you were here, I'd throw my arms around you and hug you. :lol:

After a decade of dealing with this ridiculous drama between DS9 fans and VOY fans, your viewpoint is SOOOOOO refreshing to read.

Seriously.

You don't need to make any apologies for loving VOY. And those who disagree with you? Who cares what they think? They are strangers on the internet. And their opinion is just that: the opinion of a total stranger on the frakkin' internet. And that opinion does not need to impact your enjoyment of the show one iota.

Good for you!!!

Any of the old-timers in this forum have a copy of the Delavian Chocolate Award? If so, please post it for teacake. Because teacake is totally worthy of the DS9 forum's highest honor!
 
^I think most people don't have a problem with people whoe enjoy VOY or any other show. I would say people have a problem with people who blast a show for the sake of blasting it. Without providing any crtique on why they don't like it. Even the most ardent supporter of show should realise that any show is not without its faults/plot holes. Just as they generally have some good features.

Different things appeal to different people, just as certain characters you identify more with than others. Really isn't Star Trek about trying to understand our differences and overcoming them.
 
Most of the time I agree with people's well reasoned complaints about VOY but it has no effect on my high opinion and love of the show.

No trying to fudge or ignore the problems with Voyager, just a clear, unambiguous 'I just love it'.

That's an approach I can wholeheartedly appreciate !

:)
 
Trek generally is great.
TOS was wonderful but of its time.
The TOS movies were pretty good except for 5.
TNG became great around Best of Both Worlds.
The Next Gen films aren't that good.
DS9 was proper grown up Trek that recovered from a questionable start to become the peak of the franchise.
Voyager was a mistake that improved slightly - intermittently enjoyable but with huge flaws.
Enterprise got quite good towards the end.

In general, we agree. It is self evident :mallory:
 
Excellent... I can feel the hate for this series... Go forth, slag it some more and your transformation to the dark side shall be complete!
 
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