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DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

Voyager does take a beating around these parts, it's fair to say. Probably more than it deserves.
Thank you! Finally some honesty is being acknowledged about how Voyager & its fan are treated on here.

I am moving on now from this thread. I have accomplished my goal. Nice to see that some people have finally seen the light, and realized why I started this thread.

Did I miss something?

No where was it said that VOY was without problems

And apart from the OP, I don't remember anyone agreeing with his asseration i.e. the thread title. That DSN was was the worst Trek series ever. Or that VOY was the best series ever.

So just what goal did you have in mind when you started this thread? That VOY was without merit? From memory in the VOY forum thread "Voyager's main problems" is that in certain cases VOY whilst also getting critisied also did receive some positive omments. People can like an episode but that doesn't mean they don't critise plot elements within said episode.
 
"Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
-Rule of Aquisition #76
 
The "Good Ol' Boys Club" here on the Trek BBS only is interested in attacking. It is very telling how that post was totally skipped over so that the Good Ol' Boys Club" network here on the Trek BBS could continue the attacks.
Wait, there's a "Good Ol' Boys Club"? Where do I join? More importantly is there a secret handshake?
Yes, there's a secret handshake, but, it's so secret, The Good Ol' Boys Club doesn't even know it :(
 
That's what you think! We just haven't told you about it!
So... I paid my dues and get nothing but, this decoder ring, that's useless because you need to know the Secret Handshake in order to use it :vulcan:

Will they ever get around to mailing me my copy of "The Agenda"?
 
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Someone has been duly fed... and then some.
 
That's what you think! We just haven't told you about it!
So... I paid my dues and get nothing but, this decoder ring, that's useless because you need to know the Secret Handshake in order to use it :vulcan:

Will they ever get around to mailing me my copy of "The Agenda"?

Unfortunatly due to subspace interference we are unable to process all applications to join the club and any information pertaining to it.
 
Tidus. I'd suggest you go and watch the entirety of DS9, and then come back and tell us all that it's the WORST series EVER. How much do you want to bet that you won't?

I loved DS9, and I can only assume you haven't watched Duet yet? The thing is, you claim that you're giving the show a fair chance, when you're actually not, and arguing that a show that you've barely watched is the worst series of Star Trek. What did you expect the reaction was going to be when you post such baseless trash like what you have posted so far.

And before you ask, I have watched up to season 6 of Voyager, plus the odd season 7 episode. I found them enjoyable, but most were rather shallow (Aside from episodes like Scorpian, Year Of Hell, and Thirty Days) There were more of similar quality, but not enough.

Deep Space Nine however featured gems such as The Visitor, Duet, Sacrifice of Angel, In The Pale Moonlight, Nor the Battle to the Strong, The Quickening, The Siege of AR-558, Field of Fire, The Die is Cast/By Inferno's Light, Past Tense, Distant Voices, Visionary, Whispers. and many others. These were all ones that I very much enjoyed, and there are a few that I probably missed, and others that other people may not have enjoyed so much.

As I say, when you've finished watching everything, come back and we can have a rational argument.
 
^^psssstt, as he posted he never intended to have a reasonable discussion. His entire intention was to piss off DS9 fans "because of all the trashng they do of Voyager on the Voyager Board" He was trolling and flat out admitted it was payback for his perceived injustices done to Voyager fans by DS9 fans :(
 
I did pick that up, but I just wanted to try a post myself. Not that I think it's going to work, it just makes me feel better to post after reading through all the crap that is this thread. Plus, it's still worth a try, even if I'm being rather optimistic for even saying that.
 
^^psssstt, as he posted he never intended to have a reasonable discussion. His entire intention was to piss off DS9 fans "because of all the trashng they do of Voyager on the Voyager Board" He was trolling and flat out admitted it was payback for his perceived injustices done to Voyager fans by DS9 fans :(

But he also claimed several times that he was here to "debate the merits" and that he was going to give DS9 a fair chance. There seems to be some contradicting information about what his intentions are. My guess is he was never really sure himself.
 
DSN is my favourite of all Trek series, Does that mean it was perfect and without faults no of course not. Each and every show on TV has faults, VOY did have it's individual moments but unlike with DSN when put all together it was average.

It is often said of VOY, Is that it had a great premise (possible the best) but it was poorly executed.

So on one hand it is receiving praise, whilst at the same time it is being critised. A fair few people felt it should have had a tighter narrative, rather than the rather relaxed narrative it did have. Not that there is anything wrong with a relaxed narrative it worked well for TOS and TNG, VOY's premise seemed to call for a tighter narrative, which unfortuantly it did not have.

Like with anything it comes down to personnal taste, others liked it for what it was a lighthearted adventure show. Others felt it should have been less lighthearted. Neither opinion is intrinsically right or wrong. But that doesn't mean we should stop debating the flaws of shows.

I'm sure many DSNfans are more than happy to debate any direct critisims of flaws with the show.

Do you think Sisko was badly written. Ok tell me why and cite examples from episodes.
 
I love DS9 and Voyager. I am a walking contradiction.

I basically love all of Trek. I don't see how someone could love one incarnation and hate another. DS9, TNG and VOY really aren't that different - they're just different faces of the same coin.
I dislike a lot of Voyager because of its reliance upon more technobabble as a plot device to save the day than other Trek shows. Also, I am not a fan of Captain Janeway as written. You could have taken the role and given it to a man and you wouldn't have noticed a difference. She was supposed to be the first female Captain lead actor of a Trek show and THIS was the best they could do with her?

I dislike DS9 because it feels claustrophobic to me, I despise Avery Brooks' acting on the show (or rather, the lack of acting), and I do feel that Star Trek by nature should be about trekking (strange new worlds, new life and new civilization)...DS9 was more about scheming, spying, and blowing shit up. That isn't Trek to me. Far from it.
 
I dislike DS9 because it feels claustrophobic to me, I despise Avery Brooks' acting on the show (or rather, the lack of acting), and I do feel that Star Trek by nature should be about trekking (strange new worlds, new life and new civilization)...DS9 was more about scheming, spying, and blowing shit up. That isn't Trek to me. Far from it.

I would argue that the other Trek series showed the ideal, the image of a Utopian society that the Federation wanted to project to the rest of the galaxy, and showed that they actually did manage a good approximation of it at times.

Deep Space Nine's theme was essentially, "There's a price to pay for paradise." You don't just have a Utopian society develop on its own; it has to be fought for, and then defended.
 
I would argue that the other Trek series showed the ideal, the image of a Utopian society that the Federation wanted to project to the rest of the galaxy, and showed that they actually did manage a good approximation of it at times.

Deep Space Nine's theme was essentially, "There's a price to pay for paradise." You don't just have a Utopian society develop on its own; it has to be fought for, and then defended.

QFT
 
TOS was designed as an episodic show and remained so.

TNG was designed as an episodic show and remained so.

DSN was designed as an episodic show and evvoled into a more serialised show.

VOY was designed as an seriealised show and devolved into an episodic show.

ENT was designed as an episodic show, changed to a serilaised show in the third season and a semi-serialised show in the 4th.

I have nothing against episodic shows, I like shows like NCIS, CSI (the Grissom years) etc..

I also like more serialised shows such as The West Wing.

One of my biggest issues with VOY is that it abondoned it's premise, The premise had so much potential but the writers treated it more like another TNG. As they dare not take a risk but remain safe. It's not just some fans that have said this some of the Writers of the show have. Taking a risk might fail but at least they would get credit for trying.

I totally agree about Voyager's problems being laid squarely on the shoulders of its writers. The conflict between the Feds and the Maquis was resolved and the crews integrated FAR too quickly and easily. It should have taken all the first season for them to finally form a begruding working partnership, maybe with a handshake shot between Chakotay and Janeway at the end.

Since Voyager was so far from home, there should have been more than a few times when their universal translators completely failed them and led to something BAD with lasting consequences.

Tom Paris shouldn't have been allowed to work on the stupid Delta Flyer, if parts and such were so scarce. The show wasn't consistently presented keeping its own foundations in mind. Then again, no Trek was.
 
I love DS9 and Voyager. I am a walking contradiction.

I basically love all of Trek. I don't see how someone could love one incarnation and hate another. DS9, TNG and VOY really aren't that different - they're just different faces of the same coin.
I dislike a lot of Voyager because of its reliance upon more technobabble as a plot device to save the day than other Trek shows. Also, I am not a fan of Captain Janeway as written. You could have taken the role and given it to a man and you wouldn't have noticed a difference. She was supposed to be the first female Captain lead actor of a Trek show and THIS was the best they could do with her?

I dislike DS9 because it feels claustrophobic to me, I despise Avery Brooks' acting on the show (or rather, the lack of acting), and I do feel that Star Trek by nature should be about trekking (strange new worlds, new life and new civilization)...DS9 was more about scheming, spying, and blowing shit up. That isn't Trek to me. Far from it.

Is Star Trek about :-

A.>The Human Condition
B.>Exploring Strange new worlds
C.>A combination of both
 
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